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Old Jan 17, 2008 | 9:02 pm
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Politicians criticizing Chertoff

Congressional critics representing Northern border states were anything but impressed with Chertoff's rhetoric.

His department has proved incapable of implementing a 2004 law on border security, and Chertoff "frankly has as much credibility on telling people to 'grow up' as Geoffrey the Giraffe," said Rep. Tom Reynolds, a Buffalo-area Republican.

Added Sen. Norm Coleman, a Minnesota Republican, "Secretary Chertoff's comments that those objecting to the plan need to 'grow up' indicates that the department still doesn't understand the practical effects of DHS policies on the everyday lives of border community residents."

Sen. Patrick Leahy, Democratic chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, said the move does nothing to enhance security and will only hurt the economy. "When it comes to the Northern Border, the muddled thinking and poor planning at DHS seems to have no bounds, and the agency that botched Katrina seems to have no shame and no memory to boot," Leahy said.


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Old Jan 17, 2008 | 9:13 pm
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"Republicans" criticizing the ROI for a gov't agency? Did they reclaim their party while I was asleep?
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Old Jan 17, 2008 | 9:14 pm
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Must be an election year


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Old Jan 17, 2008 | 10:01 pm
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Originally Posted by mikey1003
Must be an election year


Electile Dysfunction : the inability to become aroused over any of the choices for president put forth by either party in the 2008 election year.
Electile Dysfunction-gotta love it . now i don't know if there is one frequent traveller (and i do mean frequent) who will be glad to see skeletor go come next january. grow up yourself mikey and don't let the airplane door hit you in the tuchas on the way out.

nah nah nah nah
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alas poor skeletor,
i despised him well

has anyone here
seen my old friend chertoff
can you tell me where he's gone
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Old Jan 17, 2008 | 10:10 pm
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Kind of ironic that this guy is telling people to 'grow up' after he subjects those same people to silly color code systems and smoke & mirrors security.
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Old Jan 17, 2008 | 10:18 pm
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When will the floggings begin?
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Old Jan 17, 2008 | 10:47 pm
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When will the floggings begin?
How soon can you get to DC?
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Old Jan 17, 2008 | 11:21 pm
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You know, it's about time. I realize that Chertoff was just following the law with the Real ID thing, but telling people who actually had the audiacy to criticize his other plans to grow up - that's going too far. This is a democracy, and he must listen to others perspectives and not tell others to grow up just because they disagree with him.

It's refreshing to see some unrest among even Republicans.
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Old Jan 18, 2008 | 12:35 am
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...he must listen to others perspectives and not tell others to grow up just because they disagree with him.
It's like with children. They have an example set for them by their parents. If the parents are obtuse morons, so are the kids.

Chertoff has the Bush regime as his "parents."
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Old Jan 18, 2008 | 2:33 am
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Another reason why anyone who trusts a elected official is stupid...they blow with the wind.
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Old Jan 18, 2008 | 2:44 am
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I love the 'don't blame me if another 9/11 happens...' line in his testimony. Seeing as how he doesn't have to wait in any of the lines he creates, he has no problem making them. Can a cabinet Secretary be impeached?

I think he should be forced to perpetually stand at the end of an immigration line at LAX, waiting, and everytime another passenger arrives, they get to cut in front of him. If he ever makes it to the immigration desk, he should spend the next 48 hours in the medical exam room with several glove wrapped fists (at the same time) making sure that there are no anally smuggled drugs or explosives.
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Old Jan 18, 2008 | 5:42 am
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Originally Posted by etch5895
I love the 'don't blame me if another 9/11 happens...' line in his testimony. Seeing as how he doesn't have to wait in any of the lines he creates, he has no problem making them. Can a cabinet Secretary be impeached?

I think he should be forced to perpetually stand at the end of an immigration line at LAX, waiting, and everytime another passenger arrives, they get to cut in front of him. If he ever makes it to the immigration desk, he should spend the next 48 hours in the medical exam room with several glove wrapped fists (at the same time) making sure that there are no anally smuggled drugs or explosives.
See my earlier post about the floggings.
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Old Jan 18, 2008 | 6:08 am
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OK, so if, according to Skeletor:

..... checking birth certificates placed an "enormous burden" on agents because such documents come from thousands of jurisdictions and are hard to verify.
So then how is REAL ID supposed to now keep us safer if the birth certificates required to get a REAL ID-compliant DL are "hard to verify?"
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Old Jan 18, 2008 | 8:21 am
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So then how is REAL ID supposed to now keep us safer if the birth certificates required to get a REAL ID-compliant DL are "hard to verify?"
National Travel License/ID, Comrade.

By the way, Chertoff is complaining about Congressional oversight:

Originally Posted by USAToday
He said it's not fair for Congress to criticize his department for failing to secure the borders, and then prevent him from taking steps to do just that. "That's making a piata out of the Department of Homeland Security," he said.
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No, Chertoff, YOU don't get it. You are a piata and a laughing stock because of your draconian and misguided policies. YOU are not supposed to be at war with Congress and the American people, yet that's EXACTLY what you're doing. Ignore any good advice from the public or the people within your own ranks.

I heard on the radio today that Chertoff announced that all travelers from Europe will have to enter their information in advance on a DHS web site - duplicating the information that the airlines already collect and submit. If true, this effectively neuters the VWP, and gains NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING over the current process. It just hassles people.

I can see how this came down: "How do we eliminate the VWP?", "Duh, Boss, we can't do that, but we can require everybody to submit their information to us, then we can check the paperwork.", "Good work, Smedley, you deserve a big bonus for stopping terrorism".
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Old Jan 18, 2008 | 3:27 pm
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Originally Posted by mikey1003
Electile Dysfunction : the inability to become aroused over any of the choices for president put forth by either party in the 2008 election year.
Make sure that you attribute this properly...http://www.electile-dysfunction.com/ coupled with the email to CNN's Jack Cafferty last night...
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