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Old Oct 26, 2007 | 12:47 pm
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Originally Posted by CLELOSER
Don't believe me. I challenge you to test TSA and tell someone at the WTMD that you have a pacemaker and see how many times the agent acts inappropriately.
The OP doesn't disagree with you on this point:
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I fly all the time and have never encountered anything close to this.
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Old Oct 26, 2007 | 12:48 pm
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Originally Posted by CLELOSER

I happen to know TSA procedure a bit better than the average traveler. .
Really? How many airports have you been through in the last year? If the only one you have seen is the one that you are working at as a TSO then you have NO CLUE.
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Old Oct 26, 2007 | 1:17 pm
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Originally Posted by thegeneral
Swearing as security staff is not only a bad idea, but you could have families around you in the line up. Do you think someone's 8 year old on their way to Disney should hear you telling off the TSA agent?
If I had an 8 year old kid with me, I would make sure he knew that what the OP did was EXACTLY the way to stand up to bullies.
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Old Oct 26, 2007 | 1:58 pm
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ORD, so Illinois. This is what the law says on the subject of self-defense in IL:

"Use of Force in Defense of Person: A person is justified in the use of force against another when and to the extent that he reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or another against such other's imminent use of unlawful force. However, he is justified in the use of force which is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm only if he reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or another, or the commission of a forcible felony."

http://pages.prodigy.net/fhattys/page10.html

Deadly force is justified IF AND ONLY IF you reasonably believe that your life was in imminent danger. Hence "reasonable fear for your life."

Three conditions for justifiable self-defense:
1) The force used must seem necessary to prevent the attack; (The TSA agent was approaching OP with a potentially lethal "weapon," the pacemaker could be affected by the wand and such, the agent, despite being warned multiple times of the danger, decided to knowingly, willingly and recklessly approach the OP with said wand; the use of lethal/non-lethal force was necessary to stop the TSA agent from approaching him with the wand in question)
2) The force used must have been proportional to the gravity of the attack; (assume the attack was approaching the OP with the wand, which may have been deadly. This was potentially lethal, justifying the use of deadly force. Wand activated, pacemaker screwed up, OP possibly dead. Any jury with a brain can see this.)
3) The threat of force by the attacker must have been immediate and imminent. (TSA agent was 5 feet away. He was the push of a button away from potentially screwing up the pacemaker, which is KNOWN to cause problems when it comes in close contact with the wand. If that's not imminent and immediate, I don't know what is.)

I'm not a lawyer, so see a real lawyer, but if you were to have shot the TSA agent in the face, as a jury, I would have found that you were acting in self-defense.

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Old Oct 26, 2007 | 4:17 pm
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Old Oct 27, 2007 | 3:15 pm
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Originally Posted by thegeneral
Do you think someone's 8 year old on their way to Disney should hear you telling off the TSA agent?
Actually, I could care less what Timmy or Sally hear... I think that falls into the "Not My Problem" category....
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Old Oct 27, 2007 | 4:27 pm
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Originally Posted by adelauro
If I had an 8 year old kid with me, I would make sure he knew that what the OP did was EXACTLY the way to stand up to bullies.
Well done! ^
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Old Oct 28, 2007 | 3:37 am
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Originally Posted by thegeneral
Swearing as security staff is not only a bad idea, but you could have families around you in the line up. Do you think someone's 8 year old on their way to Disney should hear you telling off the TSA agent?
Add me to the list of people who couldn't care less what your 8 year old hears.
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Old Oct 28, 2007 | 10:02 am
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Folks,

Keep it civil, else we low-jack this thread.

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