TSA May Give Certain Passport Holders Extra Screening
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There is a TSA screener at Fort Lauderdale (FLL) Terminal 1 who thinks he can. He'll also ask why you are going to Tulsa, where you live, and are you going to Tulsa for business or pleasure. Next time they ask you those questions ask them where they live before you answer.
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Why show them a passport? It's just giving them ammunition to frustrate you. Show them a DL or some other plain ID card - where you're going, been, doing, seeing, etc. is none of their business.
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There is a TSA screener at Fort Lauderdale (FLL) Terminal 1 who thinks he can. He'll also ask why you are going to Tulsa, where you live, and are you going to Tulsa for business or pleasure. Next time they ask you those questions ask them where they live before you answer.
Next time...just say 'none of your business' and be done with it...if they escalate, call the GSC for your airline.
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And there are some situations where they want to write down info from your ID - the less info they have to write down, the better. And your passport doesn't contain home address info.
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Try making it less easy for them to do so. Paper clip or better yet staple the passport pages to the cover opposite the one with the photo. Then they'll have to remove the paper clips / staples making it all the more obvious that they're nosing into your business. Then you call the supe and ask if they're allowed to do that.
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if this list exists in the name of security, shouldn't they, like, not tape it to their stands for all the world to see? geez...
Anyone up for trying to put together the full list? from this thread so far:
1 Egypt
2 Yemen
3 Iran
4 Iraq
5 Turkey
6 North Korea
7 India (?)
8 Afghanistan
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Anyone up for trying to put together the full list? from this thread so far:
1 Egypt
2 Yemen
3 Iran
4 Iraq
5 Turkey
6 North Korea
7 India (?)
8 Afghanistan
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#37
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if this list exists in the name of security, shouldn't they, like, not tape it to their stands for all the world to see? geez...
Anyone up for trying to put together the full list? from this thread so far:
1 Egypt
2 Yemen
3 Iran
4 Iraq
5 Turkey
6 North Korea
7 India (?)
8 Afghanistan
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
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Anyone up for trying to put together the full list? from this thread so far:
1 Egypt
2 Yemen
3 Iran
4 Iraq
5 Turkey
6 North Korea
7 India (?)
8 Afghanistan
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
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We've just started manning the checkpoint entrance scanning IDs and BPs this week. I welcome your comments because it allows me to focus my training accordingly. You're right: a valid US passport meets the standard. And I'm not trying to excuse any deviation from that, I just think that handling DLs are so much easier that TSOs/ID checkers tend to "default" to what's ostensibly a more common form of ID. Shouldn't happen but it does. My challenge as a trainer is to make TSOs comfortable with any form of government ID.
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We've just started manning the checkpoint entrance scanning IDs and BPs this week. I welcome your comments because it allows me to focus my training accordingly. You're right: a valid US passport meets the standard. And I'm not trying to excuse any deviation from that, I just think that handling DLs are so much easier that TSOs/ID checkers tend to "default" to what's ostensibly a more common form of ID. Shouldn't happen but it does. My challenge as a trainer is to make TSOs comfortable with any form of government ID.
It has no expiration date.
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We were delayed several minutes in MDW because a TSA ID checker who appeared not to have too many bulbs burning couldn't figure out what to do with a woman's passport. He was looking through it apparently trying to understand some of the stamps, ID checker next to him couldn't answer his questions, he finally hauled the woman off to a 3rd person and after wasting further time she was allowed through.
I couldn't quite hear the conversation or read the nationality on the passport, slight purplish color, woman appear perhaps mideastern, fairly light complexion.
Mission creep is hard at work.
I couldn't quite hear the conversation or read the nationality on the passport, slight purplish color, woman appear perhaps mideastern, fairly light complexion.
Mission creep is hard at work.
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I'm one for four in having TSA flip through my passport. I use my passport because it is easier for me to use than getting out my DL and explaining that the renewal sticker is valid ("This is expired." "No, look at the sticker." "That's not real." SIGH Funny, I can rent cars with the DL without question.)
I was going to jump up and down when the TSA ID checker flipped through my passport (I have erased my penciled in home address since that happened). Next time I demand the supervisor.
Wonder if the next step for TSA is to hold up your DL and look for staple holes (an old LEO technique to get a sense of many tickets the person has had -- the staples mean that the DL was surrendered as bond on a traffic ticket and stapled to the ticket for the court) and then ask you how many times you've been arrested.
I was going to jump up and down when the TSA ID checker flipped through my passport (I have erased my penciled in home address since that happened). Next time I demand the supervisor.
Wonder if the next step for TSA is to hold up your DL and look for staple holes (an old LEO technique to get a sense of many tickets the person has had -- the staples mean that the DL was surrendered as bond on a traffic ticket and stapled to the ticket for the court) and then ask you how many times you've been arrested.
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I've never seen a North Korean passport, but I assume a north korean passport probably wouldn't say North Korea on it, it would be something like Democratic People's Republic of Korea Passport. Like how South Korea's passport says Republic of Korea Passport on it. TSA checker probably wouldn't even know the difference. Even if they did, It goes back to ID checks don't mean squat for security.
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We were delayed several minutes in MDW because a TSA ID checker who appeared not to have too many bulbs burning couldn't figure out what to do with a woman's passport. He was looking through it apparently trying to understand some of the stamps, ID checker next to him couldn't answer his questions, he finally hauled the woman off to a 3rd person and after wasting further time she was allowed through.
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Yes, 18 of the 19 had DLs, according to the 9/11 Commission report.
Here are some of the known IDs held by the hijackers:
AA 11
Abdul Aziz Al Omari -- VA ID
AA 77
Hani Hanjour -- FAA-issued commercial pilot's license; VA ID
Nawaf al Hazmi -- obtained SS# and CA DL w/assistance from Mohdar Abdullah
Khalid al Mihdhar -- obtained SS# and CA DL w/assistance from Mohdar Abdullah
Salem Al Hazmi -- VA ID
Majed Moqed -- VA ID
UA 93
Ziad al-Jarrah -- FAA-issued commerical pilot's license.
UA 175
Marwan AL-Shehhi -- FAA-issued pilot's license.
Saleh Al Ghamdi -- VA ID
Updates to come ...
Here are some of the known IDs held by the hijackers:
AA 11
Abdul Aziz Al Omari -- VA ID
AA 77
Hani Hanjour -- FAA-issued commercial pilot's license; VA ID
Nawaf al Hazmi -- obtained SS# and CA DL w/assistance from Mohdar Abdullah
Khalid al Mihdhar -- obtained SS# and CA DL w/assistance from Mohdar Abdullah
Salem Al Hazmi -- VA ID
Majed Moqed -- VA ID
UA 93
Ziad al-Jarrah -- FAA-issued commerical pilot's license.
UA 175
Marwan AL-Shehhi -- FAA-issued pilot's license.
Saleh Al Ghamdi -- VA ID
Updates to come ...
Last edited by essxjay; Oct 23, 2007 at 1:39 am