How do pax feel about TSA "Document Experts"
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How do pax feel about TSA "Document Experts"
Found this link on the TSA site itself:
http://license.icopyright.net/user/v...?fuid=NDEzOTAx
Headline: Sky Harbor adds black lights and magnifying glasses to security
This explains why the TSA is checking IDs at some airports and contracted workers are in place at other airports. As this program has been deemed a "success", it looks like TSAers will replace the contracted workers nationwide.
ID does not = security and this program stinks.


The article contains more info on backscatter machines and other technology that will be tested at PHX soon.
http://license.icopyright.net/user/v...?fuid=NDEzOTAx
Headline: Sky Harbor adds black lights and magnifying glasses to security
You may not have noticed, but the person who checks your boarding pass and driver's license before letting you queue up at a Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport checkpoint is now a trained Transportation Security Administration inspector. Armed with magnifying glasses to spot doctored IDs and black lights to examine holograms on driver's licenses or passports, the inspectors are looking for suspicious boarding pass holders.
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But does the double scrutiny make her feel safer boarding a plane?
"No. If something is going to happen, it will happen," she said.
Mike McGrath of Las Vegas never noticed a difference in those checking his documents, but he is equally nonchalant about the change.
"I think it's all window dressing anyway," he said.
But Melendez said the pilot program has been deemed a success, and the TSA is rolling it out nationwide, filling 1,300 checkpoint entry slots in airports around the country.
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But does the double scrutiny make her feel safer boarding a plane?
"No. If something is going to happen, it will happen," she said.
Mike McGrath of Las Vegas never noticed a difference in those checking his documents, but he is equally nonchalant about the change.
"I think it's all window dressing anyway," he said.
But Melendez said the pilot program has been deemed a success, and the TSA is rolling it out nationwide, filling 1,300 checkpoint entry slots in airports around the country.
ID does not = security and this program stinks.
The article contains more info on backscatter machines and other technology that will be tested at PHX soon.
Last edited by SDF_Traveler; Aug 23, 2007 at 9:53 am
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We've touched on this in other threads before, but since this thread is about the TSA's touted, soi-disant "document experts" specifically, I'll repeat my comments here.
There are so many problems with this, I almost don't know where to begin.
First, I'll leave the entire issue of "ID != security" aside. I think anyone with half a brain can tell how useless IDs are in terms of security, even if they are "legitmate" IDs and BPs.
Second, there are the technical problems. No amount of "expert training" is going to make someone be able to recognize a fake BP from a real one. Between Web check-in (which I really don't see going away) and the move to flimsy paper BPs issued even at the airport, all one has to do is have Photoshop and a minimal level of skill to create fakes that would pass any level of visual scrutiny. Now, unless the TSA is going to either (1) install BP scanners at the checkpoint, and force airlines to all tie their systems into them (costs the airlines $$--they will fight!) or (2) make the airlines issue "secure" BPs which can otherwise be verified and tough to copy, this is just silly on the part of the TSA.
Likewise, unless the feds somehow demand a "Universal Secure ID Card" for all citizens, there's no way any amount of training is going to make it so the screeners can verify the legitimacy of an ID. There has to be some way to mechanically scan the ID and have it validate against a central DB, and I'm not even going to start on the privacy and technical concerns entailed therein.
Third, even if you come up with secure, verifiable BPs and IDs, what is to stop someone from getting a legit, but fake/duplicate ID and using that to buy tickets? It can't be that hard to create a false identity, and even with the "Real ID" provisions on driver's licenses, etc., there is little to stop a determined person from getting real documents.
This is just so stupid, it makes my head hurt. Ignorance, thy name is TSA.
There are so many problems with this, I almost don't know where to begin.
First, I'll leave the entire issue of "ID != security" aside. I think anyone with half a brain can tell how useless IDs are in terms of security, even if they are "legitmate" IDs and BPs.
Second, there are the technical problems. No amount of "expert training" is going to make someone be able to recognize a fake BP from a real one. Between Web check-in (which I really don't see going away) and the move to flimsy paper BPs issued even at the airport, all one has to do is have Photoshop and a minimal level of skill to create fakes that would pass any level of visual scrutiny. Now, unless the TSA is going to either (1) install BP scanners at the checkpoint, and force airlines to all tie their systems into them (costs the airlines $$--they will fight!) or (2) make the airlines issue "secure" BPs which can otherwise be verified and tough to copy, this is just silly on the part of the TSA.
Likewise, unless the feds somehow demand a "Universal Secure ID Card" for all citizens, there's no way any amount of training is going to make it so the screeners can verify the legitimacy of an ID. There has to be some way to mechanically scan the ID and have it validate against a central DB, and I'm not even going to start on the privacy and technical concerns entailed therein.
Third, even if you come up with secure, verifiable BPs and IDs, what is to stop someone from getting a legit, but fake/duplicate ID and using that to buy tickets? It can't be that hard to create a false identity, and even with the "Real ID" provisions on driver's licenses, etc., there is little to stop a determined person from getting real documents.
This is just so stupid, it makes my head hurt. Ignorance, thy name is TSA.
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Found this link on the TSA site itself:
http://license.icopyright.net/user/v...?fuid=NDEzOTAx
Headline: Sky Harbor adds black lights and magnifying glasses to security
This explains why the TSA is checking IDs at some airports and contracted workers are in place at other airports. As this program has been deemed a "success", it looks like TSAers will replace the contracted workers nationwide.
ID does not = security and this program stinks.


The article contains more info on backscatter machines and other technology that will be tested at PHX soon.
http://license.icopyright.net/user/v...?fuid=NDEzOTAx
Headline: Sky Harbor adds black lights and magnifying glasses to security
This explains why the TSA is checking IDs at some airports and contracted workers are in place at other airports. As this program has been deemed a "success", it looks like TSAers will replace the contracted workers nationwide.
ID does not = security and this program stinks.
The article contains more info on backscatter machines and other technology that will be tested at PHX soon.
I feel like I'm talking crazy pills.
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I love the ID checkers who look at my ID, look at my face, look at my ID, look at my face, repeatedly. Am I stupid enough to present an ID that does not have my picture on it? Are real terrorists that stupid? This is beyond idiotic.
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As for the TSA "Document Experts" - They can shove their fancy equipment up their *** when I come through with NO ID.
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Hmm, gonna have to think about that a while
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