New rule to inconveniece Europeans
Aug 6, 2007, 4:59 pm
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As long as as US resident/person is not the "main target of surveillance" such a person could be tapped without a warrant. In other words, if you are a "secondary" or "incidental" party to surveillance, then yes tapped without a warrant is what this latest Congress passed. So much for the Constitution's prohibition on warrantless searches.
Aug 6, 2007, 5:04 pm
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Aug 6, 2007, 5:07 pm
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Aug 7, 2007, 10:42 am
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Lunacy and idiocy. 
I travel very often on short notice. Sometimes even 24hrs or less. And what to do now?
So much for land of the free... it's harder and harder to love USA, not to mention doing business with it.
God help America if it choses to treat friends and allies in such a way. With such an attitude there won't be any left quite soon.
I travel very often on short notice. Sometimes even 24hrs or less. And what to do now?
So much for land of the free... it's harder and harder to love USA, not to mention doing business with it.
God help America if it choses to treat friends and allies in such a way. With such an attitude there won't be any left quite soon.
Aug 7, 2007, 11:48 am
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DHS and DOS policy clowns bantering about 48-72 hours in advance? even as part of a negotiating strategy.
This comes down to the government being paranoid.
even as part of a negotiating strategy.This comes down to the government being paranoid.
Aug 7, 2007, 1:01 pm
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What are they proposing to do with that data? Perform background checks on every person entering the US? They can't even get American passports issued in a reasonable amount of time. Are these people supposed to get some sort of clearance that they can enter, or will we wait until they arrive, get fingerprinted and disappear into the masses as usual? Just because you have someone's name and address doesn't necessarily mean that information will send up any red flags.
Aug 7, 2007, 8:31 pm
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I'm starting to think that this may all be a bit of a red herring. So far, I've been unable to find any reference to 48 hours anywhere other than the FT story.
Further, somebody on the BA board (I should cite, but it's late here) posted the relevant legislation.
(a) It seems to be an enabling bill, rather than a prescriptive one.
(b) There's no mention of 48 hours.
(c) There is a clause saying that DHS may deem a person OK to fly to the US for up to 3 years.
So, my best guess is: If it's the first time you've ever visited the USA on the visa-waiver program then, yes, they might prefer 48 (or whatever - 3, 12, 24?) hours notice, but will probably have some hoops for you to jump through otherwise. On the other hand, if you're a regular, you'll most likely be covered by your previous trips, elapsed time etc. Just like, in the days when I'd regularly forget to hand in the I94W on departure, it was never a problem, 'cos I was back and forth all the time.
And it'll be transparent to us.
Further, somebody on the BA board (I should cite, but it's late here) posted the relevant legislation.
(a) It seems to be an enabling bill, rather than a prescriptive one.
(b) There's no mention of 48 hours.
(c) There is a clause saying that DHS may deem a person OK to fly to the US for up to 3 years.
So, my best guess is: If it's the first time you've ever visited the USA on the visa-waiver program then, yes, they might prefer 48 (or whatever - 3, 12, 24?) hours notice, but will probably have some hoops for you to jump through otherwise. On the other hand, if you're a regular, you'll most likely be covered by your previous trips, elapsed time etc. Just like, in the days when I'd regularly forget to hand in the I94W on departure, it was never a problem, 'cos I was back and forth all the time.
And it'll be transparent to us.
Aug 7, 2007, 9:35 pm
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I'm starting to think that this may all be a bit of a red herring. So far, I've been unable to find any reference to 48 hours anywhere other than the FT story.
Further, somebody on the BA board (I should cite, but it's late here) posted the relevant legislation.
(a) It seems to be an enabling bill, rather than a prescriptive one.
(b) There's no mention of 48 hours.
(c) There is a clause saying that DHS may deem a person OK to fly to the US for up to 3 years.
So, my best guess is: If it's the first time you've ever visited the USA on the visa-waiver program then, yes, they might prefer 48 (or whatever - 3, 12, 24?) hours notice, but will probably have some hoops for you to jump through otherwise. On the other hand, if you're a regular, you'll most likely be covered by your previous trips, elapsed time etc. Just like, in the days when I'd regularly forget to hand in the I94W on departure, it was never a problem, 'cos I was back and forth all the time.
And it'll be transparent to us.
Further, somebody on the BA board (I should cite, but it's late here) posted the relevant legislation.
(a) It seems to be an enabling bill, rather than a prescriptive one.
(b) There's no mention of 48 hours.
(c) There is a clause saying that DHS may deem a person OK to fly to the US for up to 3 years.
So, my best guess is: If it's the first time you've ever visited the USA on the visa-waiver program then, yes, they might prefer 48 (or whatever - 3, 12, 24?) hours notice, but will probably have some hoops for you to jump through otherwise. On the other hand, if you're a regular, you'll most likely be covered by your previous trips, elapsed time etc. Just like, in the days when I'd regularly forget to hand in the I94W on departure, it was never a problem, 'cos I was back and forth all the time.
And it'll be transparent to us.
This is about the obsession in some corners of the US to get rid of or substantially rework the VWP to be more restrictive than has been the case in recent years.