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Old Jun 30, 2007, 3:35 pm
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Originally Posted by sonora
The train reportedly ran out of food, and all he had eaten was potato chips.
Only according to the "diabetic". Highly unlikely the diner ran out of food. More likley he was too cheap (or disoriented) to buy food in the diner.

Also, as the follow-up news reports have made clear, he wasn't "dumped". The train stopped, the conductor descended with the passenger and his luggage, and everyone waited for the police to arrive. When the police drove up the passenger ran. All his trouble appears to have been of his own making.
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Old Jun 30, 2007, 7:32 pm
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Originally Posted by wallaby
Only according to the "diabetic". Highly unlikely the diner ran out of food. More likley he was too cheap (or disoriented) to buy food in the diner.

Also, as the follow-up news reports have made clear, he wasn't "dumped". The train stopped, the conductor descended with the passenger and his luggage, and everyone waited for the police to arrive. When the police drove up the passenger ran. All his trouble appears to have been of his own making.
Yes, it was clearly the passenger's fault that he became disoriented due to a medical condition and then was dumped off the train rather than receiving any kind of care or attention.
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Old Jul 1, 2007, 9:01 am
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Originally Posted by sonora
Yes, it was clearly the passenger's fault that he became disoriented due to a medical condition and then was dumped off the train rather than receiving any kind of care or attention.
The first two articles were poorly written and left more questions than answers. A much more balanced article was posted yesterday:

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/new...1?OpenDocument
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Old Jul 1, 2007, 9:13 am
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What are the odds the passenger was actually drunk?

Probably well over 50%.
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Old Jul 1, 2007, 7:31 pm
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Originally Posted by sonora
Yes, it was clearly the passenger's fault that he became disoriented due to a medical condition and then was dumped off the train rather than receiving any kind of care or attention.
As I pointed out, he was in no way "dumped".
And IF he has a chronic medical condition it is HIS responsibility to manage it, not Amtrak's.
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Old Jul 1, 2007, 7:49 pm
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Originally Posted by sonora
Yes, it was clearly the passenger's fault that he became disoriented due to a medical condition and then was dumped off the train rather than receiving any kind of care or attention.
So...they should have handcuffed him while they were waiting for the authorities? How exactly do you propose they should have prevented him from running off? And...wouldn't the police be in a better position to get the guy medical care than Amtrak??
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Old Jul 2, 2007, 1:19 am
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His symptoms seem to be more in accord with hypoglycemia, than hyperglycemia. If he hadn't taken any medication, then it is unlikely that his blood sugar would have dropped without insulin. It would have been elevated.
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Old Jul 2, 2007, 4:49 am
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I'd like to see what an MD has to say about the probability of this whole story.
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Old Jul 3, 2007, 12:13 am
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Originally Posted by wallaby
Only according to the "diabetic". Highly unlikely the diner ran out of food. More likley he was too cheap (or disoriented) to buy food in the diner.

Also, as the follow-up news reports have made clear, he wasn't "dumped". The train stopped, the conductor descended with the passenger and his luggage, and everyone waited for the police to arrive. When the police drove up the passenger ran. All his trouble appears to have been of his own making.
Originally Posted by Sarah DDS
What are the odds that the passenger was drunk? Probably well over 50%.
You all are equally ignorant of diabetes, and of Amtrak. Diabetics with low blood sugar are, of course, easily mistaken for drunks. The pax claimed the snack car was out of food, I have ridden Amtrak many a time, have often experienced food outages, delays, surly employees, lost baggage, etc. etc. I only believe every word. To let a passenger off at a grade crossing with no available communications, food or water? I bet there is 100-year old case law on point.

According to the Post-Dispatch article, the pax was a recently diagnosed diabetic and may have been having his first hypoglycemic episode.

The conductor ought to be charged with attempted manslaughter. And sued.

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Old Jul 3, 2007, 8:15 pm
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Originally Posted by mbstone
To let a passenger off at a grade crossing with no available communications, food or water?
Please, read all the reports.
He was not "let off".
The train stopped. The conductor alighted with the passeneger and his luggage. Then the conductor, the passenger, the train and all the other passengers on it, waited for the police to arrive. When the police showed up the passenger in question took to his heels.
This is in no way being "let off".
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Old Jul 3, 2007, 8:28 pm
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Originally Posted by wallaby
Please, read all the reports.
He was not "let off".
The train stopped. The conductor alighted with the passeneger and his luggage. Then the conductor, the passenger, the train and all the other passengers on it, waited for the police to arrive. When the police showed up the passenger in question took to his heels.
This is in no way being "let off".
As a diabetic, I can certainly appreciate how the man was feeling, especially if he was just recently diagnosed. Also, Amtrak seems to have behaved reasonably, but I have one question: did anyone ask the man if he was diabetic?

One would hope the Amtrak manual says something about recognizing medical emergencies.
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