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Old Oct 22, 2006 | 1:50 pm
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Originally Posted by GUWonder
I believe the bags read "Kip Hawley is an idiot". Does "retard" connote that he has gotten smarter since the bag's initial release? In that case, let's stick with the original. No revision needed, given idiocy reigns supremse.
I quite agree: Comrade Hawley is indeed an idiot.
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Old Oct 22, 2006 | 1:53 pm
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Originally Posted by hawleypatriot
Awww, you edited your post. Well, that was very fast. Good for you.
Without revision: response or not, you embraced the term "retards" earlier. From the beginning, I said "idiot" was more appropriate.
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Old Oct 22, 2006 | 2:08 pm
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Originally Posted by GUWonder
Without revision: response or not, you embraced the term "retards" earlier. From the beginning, I said "idiot" was more appropriate.
I'm also not here to preach my version of political correctness. Quick catch on the edit. It would have shown your true colors, which is an amusing multiple entendre.
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Old Oct 22, 2006 | 8:04 pm
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I think the OP's actions are better classified as empirical data collection. And while it may be child's play, it most certainly isn't childish since it verifies our hypothesis about Kabuki Security: Short on skill, long on song and dance.

^^ to winelover.
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Old Oct 22, 2006 | 8:14 pm
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Originally Posted by hawleypatriot
I'm also not here to preach my version of political correctness. Quick catch on the edit. It would have shown your true colors, which is an amusing multiple entendre.
I'm not the topic. And the edit did not substantively change the meaning of what was posted; nor would the pre-edit post represent things in any substantively different manner than the post-edit post. The edit was done because I identified an item that could factually mislead and corrected it. Such a sin to identify a misleading item and correct it.
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Old Oct 22, 2006 | 8:32 pm
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Originally Posted by RonDace
From what I understand the TSA is interested in it being a valid boarding pass for the day you are flying. They don't, nor would I expect them to know every airline or flight from their airport.
But wouldn't you expect them to know what airport they're currently at?
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Old Oct 23, 2006 | 8:36 am
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Originally Posted by essxjay
I think the OP's actions are better classified as empirical data collection. And while it may be child's play, it most certainly isn't childish since it verifies our hypothesis about Kabuki Security: Short on skill, long on song and dance.
That is true. The TSA has an impossible task to prevent harm coming to passengers and aircraft. What they are doing is just guess work and attempting to show they are doing something. Yes. Most of it is just show.

Truthfully I may not be able to think of anything else they could do short of each passenger stripping down with no carry on wearing only a hospital backless gown for modestys sake.

But they could at least screen the packages that are placed on board. ID checking? Give me a break. I would bet the terrorists could get a good enough fake ID to buy beer.

The training could be better and they could at least be polite and drop the "command presence" baloney. We passengers are not criminals.
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Old Oct 23, 2006 | 12:19 pm
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Originally Posted by SirFlysALot
That is true. The TSA has an impossible task to prevent harm coming to passengers and aircraft. What they are doing is just guess work and attempting to show they are doing something. Yes. Most of it is just show.

Truthfully I may not be able to think of anything else they could do short of each passenger stripping down with no carry on wearing only a hospital backless gown for modestys sake.

But they could at least screen the packages that are placed on board. ID checking? Give me a break. I would bet the terrorists could get a good enough fake ID to buy beer.

The training could be better and they could at least be polite and drop the "command presence" baloney. We passengers are not criminals.
And I reiterate the faulty premise in TSA's screening policies - they focus on "things" or "objects" instead of people. Yes, it would cost more and require higher skills to train screeners in neuro-linguistics, for example, but the likelihood of TSA actually finding someone intent on doing harm to an aircraft would be much higher than current practices.
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Old Oct 23, 2006 | 12:44 pm
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Originally Posted by vassilipan
And I reiterate the faulty premise in TSA's screening policies - they focus on "things" or "objects" instead of people. Yes, it would cost more and require higher skills to train screeners in neuro-linguistics, for example, but the likelihood of TSA actually finding someone intent on doing harm to an aircraft would be much higher than current practices.
Such screening at airports is a waste and will be a waste in the absence of revolutionary developments. Such work as you suggest is best done by intelligence and law enforcement agencies prior to a move on the airports. And even there intelligence agencies and secret police frequently focus on the wrong subjects despite days, weeks, months, years or even decades of observation. There is no reason to belive that a screener at an airport with 10 minutes to 10 hours of observation of even just one individual will be able to do any better job.

We can begin with better explosives detection equipment and processes and applying it in a more systematically meaningful way.
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Old Oct 23, 2006 | 12:54 pm
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Well I didn't mean to raise a stink, but I do have proof if anyone would like to see it. I kept the boarding passed with the airport stamps on them. The basis of my post was just another example that the TSA "screeners" are underqualified and do not give a rat's a** about the security of the passengers.

I wish the TSA would start using tactics used by the Israeli airlines. That makes flying a lot more safer than if your BP has the correct name/date/airport and your liquids are in a quart sized bag
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Old Oct 23, 2006 | 5:49 pm
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Originally Posted by winelover
I wish the TSA would start using tactics used by the Israeli airlines. That makes flying a lot more safer than if your BP has the correct name/date/airport and your liquids are in a quart sized bag
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I agree - I would much rather fly on an aircraft with a soldier armed with a submachine gun stationed at the cockpit door. Then again, would TSA screen the soldiers? H-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m.
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Old Oct 23, 2006 | 6:47 pm
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Originally Posted by winelover
I wish the TSA would start using tactics used by the Israeli airlines.
That's no panacea either. That is, El Al screening has failed to prevent terrorists from flying El Al before. Not to say that the TSA is better.
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Old Oct 23, 2006 | 7:23 pm
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Originally Posted by winelover
I wish the TSA would start using tactics used by the Israeli airlines. That makes flying a lot more safer than if your BP has the correct name/date/airport and your liquids are in a quart sized bag
Of course, El Al has like two flights a day, and we've got over two thousand, so there may be a question about scaling such a system up.
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Old Oct 23, 2006 | 7:28 pm
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Originally Posted by vassilipan
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I agree - I would much rather fly on an aircraft with a soldier armed with a submachine gun stationed at the cockpit door. Then again, would TSA screen the soldiers? H-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m.
I'd rather there were no guns on the aircraft at all.
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