TSA Spends $1200 for Coffee
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According to the Wall Street Journal Europe on Saturday these were not costs incurred by the TSA directly. Rather it was a contractor (NCS Pearson) who was contracted to hire screeners.
Total contract cost US$300 million with up to 170 sub-contractors used including:
On-site logistics support - Eclipse events - $24m
Fingerprinting - PEC Solutions - $23.6m
English Proficiency testing - Fluency Group - $16.2m
Medical Testing - Comprehensive Health Services - $73.6m
Total contract cost US$300 million with up to 170 sub-contractors used including:
On-site logistics support - Eclipse events - $24m
Fingerprinting - PEC Solutions - $23.6m
English Proficiency testing - Fluency Group - $16.2m
Medical Testing - Comprehensive Health Services - $73.6m
#32
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Originally Posted by LessO2
You're kidding, right? What function would those items do?
Assuming you're not kidding, what would the criteria be? Most number of retaliatory secondaries? Fewest number of prohibited items missed? Number of bags searched?
Assuming you're not kidding, what would the criteria be? Most number of retaliatory secondaries? Fewest number of prohibited items missed? Number of bags searched?
Originally Posted by LessO2
The TSA is long overdue to set requirements on physical fitness. There are plenty of out of shape and people who do not (or cannot) lift the bags off or onto the CTX machine (as seen at IAD int'l connections, at SMF where the machine is in front of the ticket counters and DTW where they are right behind the UA ticket counter).
I'm sure there are some physically fit people who get injured, but having seen what I've seen, I would imagine physical fitness standards would greatly reduce the number of OTJ injuries.
I'm sure there are some physically fit people who get injured, but having seen what I've seen, I would imagine physical fitness standards would greatly reduce the number of OTJ injuries.
Yes, while true that a lot of employees don't follow the basic mechanics for heavy lifting, ergonomics still has a lot to do with it. Then you have some of the dumb decisions management makes from time to time which also exacerbates the situation. Our front office mandated that CTX chairs be removed and employees stand at the CTX X-ray machine. This is a major violation of OSHA standards because the machine was designed for the X-ray operator to sit in front of the screens. Standing in front of it causes the operator to stoop down to look at the screen or manipulate the buttons; yet another ergonomically-related injury that will affect screeners in the long run. (I've ignored this idiotic mandate, btw. Don't know yet if there will be any repercussions as a result. Don't care if there is.)
I'm an avid weightlifter and consider myself to be in excellent shape. Yet I've also suffered injury, primarily at baggage, a couple of times. TSA needs to analyze why screeners are often injured on the job. I'm willing to bet that poor ergonomics has a great deal to do with it. By working from the neck up, TSA can help reduce screener injuries and the workman's compensation expenses that it requires to take care of those injured screeners. I think I heard somewhere that TSA screeners are among the highest, if not THE highest, frequencies of on-the-job injuries in the federal government.
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Originally Posted by Bart
Talk about "not kidding." There's a thing called employee morale. May be foreign to you, but it actually helps improves the work place if done correctly. Nothing wrong with recognizing good employees, and it's money well-spent. I'm curious if you would have the same smart-... comments if "tsa" weren't part of tsadude's handle or if you're just taking pot-shots because you know he's a TSA employee.
And I am serious about the awards things. I do not see how a $5 coffee mug improves a morale. If the TSA was serious on improving employee morale, I would suggest a bulk purchase of How To Win Friends and Influence People by Dale Carnegie for everyone at team leader upward. This way, you treat EVERYONE with the respect they deserve and you might actually get more people who would look forward to their job, rather than thinking a $5 coffee mug is going to a suitable replacement for better morale and common decency.
If you want to position my feelings as being of a "pot-shot artist," then go right ahead. But to me, things pointed out in the book that can be applied 365 days a year rather than annual or bi-anuual awarding of a coffee mug.
#34
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Originally Posted by Bart
Talk about "not kidding." There's a thing called employee morale. May be foreign to you, but it actually helps improves the work place if done correctly. Nothing wrong with recognizing good employees, and it's money well-spent. I'm curious if you would have the same smart-... comments if "tsa" weren't part of tsadude's handle or if you're just taking pot-shots because you know he's a TSA employee.
Originally Posted by Bart
Good point on the one hand, but missing the boat on the other. There's more to it than just setting a physical fitness standard and demanding that employees maintain it. Biggest contributor to employee injury is the poor ergonomics of the machines we use. Repeatively ifting heavy bags from the floor and loading them on the the CTX ramp and then removing them on the output ramp from a 12 inch high platform and either moving that bag to a CTX table approximately 36 inches off the floor or to an airline baggage conveyor belt system with platforms usually about 12 inches off the floor is not good for the back. Involves a lot of twisting of the torso and places a lot of strain on the shoulders, wrists and elbows. TSA spent money on the first CTX models because they were the first ones available. Not much thought went into the ergonomic design.
Yes, while true that a lot of employees don't follow the basic mechanics for heavy lifting, ergonomics still has a lot to do with it. Then you have some of the dumb decisions management makes from time to time which also exacerbates the situation. Our front office mandated that CTX chairs be removed and employees stand at the CTX X-ray machine. This is a major violation of OSHA standards because the machine was designed for the X-ray operator to sit in front of the screens. Standing in front of it causes the operator to stoop down to look at the screen or manipulate the buttons; yet another ergonomically-related injury that will affect screeners in the long run. (I've ignored this idiotic mandate, btw. Don't know yet if there will be any repercussions as a result. Don't care if there is.)
I'm an avid weightlifter and consider myself to be in excellent shape. Yet I've also suffered injury, primarily at baggage, a couple of times. TSA needs to analyze why screeners are often injured on the job. I'm willing to bet that poor ergonomics has a great deal to do with it. By working from the neck up, TSA can help reduce screener injuries and the workman's compensation expenses that it requires to take care of those injured screeners. I think I heard somewhere that TSA screeners are among the highest, if not THE highest, frequencies of on-the-job injuries in the federal government.
Yes, while true that a lot of employees don't follow the basic mechanics for heavy lifting, ergonomics still has a lot to do with it. Then you have some of the dumb decisions management makes from time to time which also exacerbates the situation. Our front office mandated that CTX chairs be removed and employees stand at the CTX X-ray machine. This is a major violation of OSHA standards because the machine was designed for the X-ray operator to sit in front of the screens. Standing in front of it causes the operator to stoop down to look at the screen or manipulate the buttons; yet another ergonomically-related injury that will affect screeners in the long run. (I've ignored this idiotic mandate, btw. Don't know yet if there will be any repercussions as a result. Don't care if there is.)
I'm an avid weightlifter and consider myself to be in excellent shape. Yet I've also suffered injury, primarily at baggage, a couple of times. TSA needs to analyze why screeners are often injured on the job. I'm willing to bet that poor ergonomics has a great deal to do with it. By working from the neck up, TSA can help reduce screener injuries and the workman's compensation expenses that it requires to take care of those injured screeners. I think I heard somewhere that TSA screeners are among the highest, if not THE highest, frequencies of on-the-job injuries in the federal government.
God forbid we inform a group of people that they could be injured because of obesity, age, or weigh 85 lbs and stand 5 foot tall. You did hear correctly, TSA has the worst record of on the job injury rate and will continue to have it. It could be alot better if the effort was put forth.
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Originally Posted by tsadude
There was a recent incident that really made me anti-management. I submitted a cash award for an employee who did something really outstanding. When it was approved I asked if the assistant FSD or maybe the AFSD of screening could come down and present this award in front of the employees peers. The answer was no, they were too busy. I about lost it. The TSA wonders why it has a morale problem.
What I did was summarize the incident in a Witness Statement since it was the only official-looking document I had available. I submitted it thinking that someone in the front office would catch on the idea and then use what I wrote as the basis for a letter or perhaps a TSA coin or other token of appreciation recognizing the screener's deeds. What I got instead was a nasty-gram criticizing my use of the wrong format and not having used the chain of command. (Keep in mind that I showed it to my supervisor and HE submitted it, not I. It's just that he didn't add to it, so it had the appearance of me having submitted it.)
Well, there are very few things that cause me to lose my cool. This one threw me into a good old-fashioned Whiskey-Tango-Foxtrot mode a la Airborne! To make a long story short, I ended up typing the letter on TSA letterhead, got a supervisor to sign it, and it was presented to the screener the very next day. I wasn't exactly rude, but I was very curt and direct in dealing with the front office staff in getting this thing done. (My wife has seen me in this mode only once and says I have scary eyes even if I'm smiling.)
Then, once I managed to get it done, a screening manager told me that this whole thing could backfire since the incident technically occured off of the TSA checkpoint, and the screener may have overstepped her bounds by offering assistance. Since the letter was signed and waiting for delivery, I just kept my mouth shut. I got what I wanted out of the deal, but I couldn't believe the mentality that would consider punishing a screener for helping someone in dire need. It's not like the screener necessarily saved this woman's life, but she managed to calm her down and provide some degree of comfort until the EMTs arrived to do their job. All I was looking for was a pat-on-the-back for this screener doing something above and beyond her normal duties.
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Originally Posted by Markie
Fingerprinting - PEC Solutions - $23.6m
Originally Posted by Markie
English Proficiency testing - Fluency Group - $16.2m
Negative English Comprehension:
"Do you understand everything that I am saying?"
<eager nodding>
"Do you speak English well?"
<eager nodding>
"Are you aware that your hair is on fire?"
<eager nodding>
<on radio> "Can I have a Spanish-speaking officer at my location, please?"
Positive English Comprehension:
"Does anyone here speak English?"
<shrugs and blank stares>
"You know, I can always pick out the illegal aliens. You guys never tie your shoes."
<short pause>
"Everyone who is looking at their feet, come with me."
#38


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Originally Posted by LessO2
And I am serious about the awards things. I do not see how a $5 coffee mug improves a morale. If the TSA was serious on improving employee morale, I would suggest a bulk purchase of How To Win Friends and Influence People by Dale Carnegie for everyone at team leader upward. This way, you treat EVERYONE with the respect they deserve and you might actually get more people who would look forward to their job, rather than thinking a $5 coffee mug is going to a suitable replacement for better morale and common decency.
My wife worked as a supervisor for Wal-Mart for several years. She had a supply of "Good Job!" pins that she could hand out to employees at her discretion. They were usually given at an employee meeting or in some semi-public venue, to increase the recognition value. Employees could turn in five Good Job! pins and get a share of Wal-Mart stock. Some employees kept the pins in lieu of the stock, because they wanted everyone to see how many they had received.
Don't underestimate the value of recognition, especially with people who may not have had a lot of it in their lives.

