The BBC "gets it", why doesn't the TSA?
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Originally Posted by PatrickHenry1775
If dangerous people can be identified at checkpoints, screening can concentrate on them, rather than pat-down searches of grandmothers, young children, etc.
Certainly the "solution" to that problem isn't "showing ID" or bringing around proof of citizenship as the member I was responding was suggesting. No one's ID says "terrorist" or "not a terrorist" on it. And country of citizenship doesn't determine whether you're a terrorist or not.
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Originally Posted by Doppy
And how do you purpose that we do that?
Certainly the "solution" to that problem isn't "showing ID" or bringing around proof of citizenship as the member I was responding was suggesting. No one's ID says "terrorist" or "not a terrorist" on it. And country of citizenship doesn't determine whether you're a terrorist or not.
Certainly the "solution" to that problem isn't "showing ID" or bringing around proof of citizenship as the member I was responding was suggesting. No one's ID says "terrorist" or "not a terrorist" on it. And country of citizenship doesn't determine whether you're a terrorist or not.
THE HIJACKERS
FLIGHT 11
Mohammed ATTA (11) (also known as Mohammed al-Amir) Born September 1, 1968 in Kafr al Sheikh, Egypt. ATTA grows up in Cairo with his middle-class family.
Abdulaziz ALOMARI (11) Saudi Arabian. Little is known about him.
Walid AL-SHEHRI (11) From Khamis Mushayt in Saudi Arabia. Former teacher, who left his job allegedly to consult an Islamic holy man about his brothers mental illness.
Satam AL-SUQAMI (11) Born June 28, 1976. Saudi Arabian. Islamic-law-school student at King Fahd University in Riyadh. College roommate of MOQED.
Wail ALSHEHRI (11) Born 7/31/73. Brother of Walid. Former phys-ed teacher who left his job because of mental illness.
FLIGHT 175
Marwan AL-SHEHHI (175) Born in United Arab Emirates on 5/9/78.
Hamza ALGHAMDI(175) Born 11/18/80. From Beljurashi in southern Saudi Arabia. Was working in a humiliating job as a stockboy in a housewares shop when he was recruited for the jihad.
Ahmed ALGHAMDI(175) From Beljurashi in southern Saudi Arabia. Fayez Rashid Ahmed Hassan Al-Qadi BANIHAMMAD (175-4) (aka Fayez Ahmed) Citizen of United Arab Republic.
Mohand ALSHEHRI (175) Former student at the Imam Muhammed Ibn Saud Islamic University in Abha, Saudi Arabia for one semester.
FLIGHT 77
Hani HANJOUR (77)- Saudi Arabian Born August 13, 1972. Son of a wealthy businessman from the wealthy al-Faisaliyah section of Taif.
Khalid ALMIDHAR (77) Saudi Arabian. Veteran Al-Qaeda operative about whom little is known.
Majed MOQED (77) Saudi Arabian. Law student at the King Fahd University in Riyadh. The son of a head of the Baniauf tribe from Annakhil near Medina. Sometimes listed as the third logistics person after ALMIDHAR and Nawaq ALHAZMI.
Nawaq ALHAZMI (77) "He told me once that his father had tried to kill him when he was a child. He never told me why, but he had a long knife scar on his forearm," said an acquaintance. Brother of a police chief in the coastal town of Jizan.
Salem ALHAZMI (77) Saudi.
FLIGHT 93
Ziad al-JARRAH (93) Born in Al Marj, Lebanon May 11, 1975. The son of a civil servant and a schoolteacher. Educated in a Catholic school in Beirut.
Ahmed ALNAMI (93) Born December 1977. Saudi, from the town of Abha. Former law student at the King Khaled University Islamic Law School in Abha.
Ahmed Ibrahim AL-HAZNAWI (93) Born October 11, 1980. Saudi from the village of Hezna. Son of an imam, and reportedly became one himself. Close to Hamza and Ahmed ALGHAMDI.
Saeed ALGHAMDI (93) Saudi, from Khamis Mushayt.
Were FDR & Co. rounding up Irish Catholics during WWII?
By ignoring the brutal truth (country of origin and citizenship status) of who we (U.S.A. and a few allies) are fighting against, a dangerous confusion is generated that will only lead to unnecessary deaths and a prolongation of the war.
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Originally Posted by DMorris
It may not be the single determinant, but...........
Were FDR & Co. rounding up Irish Catholics during WWII?
By ignoring the brutal truth (country of origin and citizenship status) of who we (U.S.A. and a few allies) are fighting against, a dangerous confusion is generated that will only lead to unnecessary deaths and a prolongation of the war.
And how does your plan address American/European citizens who are also threats (e.g. the second most recent and serious terrorist attack - OKC)?
Also, how do you respond to the reports showing that Osama style extremism is gaining ground among whites?
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Originally Posted by Doppy
OK, so what are you proposing we do?
No, but they were rounding up tens of thousands of innocent Japanese, something that most people condemn quite strongly these days.
So what are you proposing we do?
And how does your plan address American/European citizens who are also threats (e.g. the second most recent and serious terrorist attack - OKC)?
Also, how do you respond to the reports showing that Osama style extremism is gaining ground among whites?
No, but they were rounding up tens of thousands of innocent Japanese, something that most people condemn quite strongly these days.
So what are you proposing we do?
And how does your plan address American/European citizens who are also threats (e.g. the second most recent and serious terrorist attack - OKC)?
Also, how do you respond to the reports showing that Osama style extremism is gaining ground among whites?
FWIW, rounding up Japanese-Americans and imprisoning them in the American version of concentration camps was horribly wrong.
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Originally Posted by PatrickHenry1775
One modest, rather non-intrusive proposal would be to pay particular attention to people who have been to certain Mid-east countries that have a track history of supporting Islamic extremism. Travel to and back from such countries is a concrete fact that often correlates with increased risk. This sort of factor would be preferable to SSSS searches of American citizens on domestic flights, and would be much more likely to find someone who is a danger than the current system.
Now you show up for your flight from St. Louis to Des Moines.
Now what? SSSS searches are no good - you said yourself that even a pencil in the right hands could be deadly. What's the other alternative? Permanent no-fly?

