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mre5765 Apr 14, 2015 2:06 pm


Originally Posted by tanja (Post 24563029)
Thankyou for all your suggestions and so on. A little remark though. I am not going to Stockholm. I am going to south of Sweden. So Kastrup is the closest airport.

USA to Kastrup non-stop service. Who knew! :D

Tanja flies private jets! :D

tanja Apr 14, 2015 3:48 pm


Originally Posted by mre5765 (Post 24665098)
Thanks, but none of the above explains why Sweden's consulates don't facilitate passport applications 5 days a week, 52 weeks a year.

A US postal clerk facilitates US passport applications, then sends the application to some US agency, then out pops a passport two weeks later, delivered by the clerk's bowling team mate.

You are claiming that a more highly paid clerk in a Swedish consulate, cannot process applications, and ship them off to Sweden?

I do aggree with you But they dont. They use to. Not anymore. I am stuck.

tanja Apr 14, 2015 3:49 pm


Originally Posted by mre5765 (Post 24665108)
USA to Kastrup non-stop service. Who knew! :D

Tanja flies private jets! :D

I wish Belive me I this. I have not given up at all. I am going to write to the gov. Cause this is so bad. Thank you for your reply though.

GUWonder Apr 14, 2015 4:02 pm


Originally Posted by mre5765 (Post 24665108)
USA to Kastrup non-stop service. Who knew! :D

Tanja flies private jets! :D

USA to Kastrup non-stop exists. ORD/EWR/SFO/IAD/JFK-CPH are exactly that.

Kastrup is the local's name for Copenhagen airport. When Swedes need to fly out of CPH -- as a quarter of flying Swedes have done -- they need to go to "Kastrup flygplats".

GUWonder Apr 14, 2015 4:04 pm


Originally Posted by mre5765 (Post 24665098)
Thanks, but none of the above explains why Sweden's consulates don't facilitate passport applications 5 days a week, 52 weeks a year.

A US postal clerk facilitates US passport applications, then sends the application to some US agency, then out pops a passport two weeks later, delivered by the clerk's bowling team mate.

You are claiming that a more highly paid clerk in a Swedish consulate, cannot process applications, and ship them off to Sweden?

It's meant to explain something other than what you may want it to explain. ;)

The U.S. conditioned VWP participation on various factors that made this situation what it is for the OP. The Swedish government can't be a VWP country without restricting passport processing methods and facilities to meet US standards, no matter how much money Sweden is willing or not willing to spend on staffing its consular facilities in the U.S. Denmark got hit by the same sort of thing in the main too.

gylf Apr 14, 2015 10:56 pm

But again.
A temporary swedish passport is a valid document for returning to sweden, and there is a direct flight between SFO and CPH on a scandinavian airline that knows this.
There should be no issues going back to sweden.

Also, the CA id card is a valid ID for TSA screening, you don't have to show them your swedish passport.
If your worried about this anyway, buy a cheap united domestic ticket as well, go through TSA in terminal 3, and walk over to the international terminal from there.

mre5765 Apr 15, 2015 7:04 am


Originally Posted by gylf (Post 24667134)
But again.
A temporary swedish passport is a valid document for returning to sweden, and there is a direct flight between SFO and CPH on a scandinavian airline that knows this.
There should be no issues going back to sweden.

Also, the CA id card is a valid ID for TSA screening, you don't have to show them your swedish passport.
If your worried about this anyway, buy a cheap united domestic ticket as well, go through TSA in terminal 3, and walk over to the international terminal from there.

She doesn't want to show her CA state ID card because it has her personal address. So she can use her green card instead.

My advice to fly LH out of SFO then ports to this situation, except that a near certainty of getting to Europe on a temporary passport has become a certainty.

According to Wikipedia, SAS flies out of Termimal I-G. Terminals 3 and I-G are connected, airside. So get a refundable ticket for a domestic terminal 3 flight on United. Use the temporary passport to get the SAS boarding pass. SAS is the national carrier of both Denmark and Sweden, so the check in agent will give her a boarding pass. Use the green card to get the United boarding pass.

Use the green card and United boarding pass to get inside terminal 3 airside. Cancel the United ticket. Walk to terminal I-G. Board the plane. Land in CPH. Travel to Sweden. Apply for normal passport. Drink akavit while waiting for passport. Then go home.

mre5765 Apr 15, 2015 7:18 am


Originally Posted by GUWonder (Post 24665625)
It's meant to explain something other than what you may want it to explain. ;)

The U.S. conditioned VWP participation on various factors that made this situation what it is for the OP. The Swedish government can't be a VWP country without restricting passport processing methods and facilities to meet US standards, no matter how much money Sweden is willing or not willing to spend on staffing its consular facilities in the U.S. Denmark got hit by the same sort of thing in the main too.

IOW you cannot document that making it nearly impossible for Swedes in America to obtain a Swedish passport is an American rule.

The U.S. standard is to have someone who sells stamps for a living vet passport applications. This is an easy standard to meet. Indeed, USPS is hard up for money. Sweden could contract passport application processing to the USPS, and tell the U.S. it has met the American standard.

It is rather shocking that if the U.S. is adding these onerous conditions to EU vwp countries that EU VWP don't unite and apply reciprocal standards.

The EU VWP countries should be collectively telling the USA to feel free to drop them from VWP. The sharp drop off in tourism will put an end to the alleged nonsense. If not, then the EU can drop the USA from its own VWP.

GUWonder Apr 15, 2015 7:28 am

Shocking? Not really. Very few countries pursue fully reciprocal measures on these matters against the powers with whom they want to maintain good ties for other purposes.

About the OP flying out of SFO: the LPR card should work to get by airport security, but it may require escalating to a supervisor to have it accepted.

About checking in: that shouldn't be an issue if checking in with any carrier; however, not all check-in reps -- even contractors for SK at SFO -- may be familiar with these matters of emergency passport replacing docs. So budget more time for that to be addressed too. Hopefully the check-in is taking place on a non-holiday and during working hours for whomever they may wish to call or call over.


Originally Posted by mre5765 (Post 24668375)
IOW you cannot document that making it nearly impossible for Swedes in America to obtain a Swedish passport is an American rule.

Those are your words, not mine. Why would I want to document something that I never claimed, a claim which I don't accept? Don't hold your breath waiting with your request of "document" to be fulfilled by me, as it's your claim to accept or deny and document or not however you wish.

I can't play devil's advocate on an issue that has already taken place -- an issue that isn't going to change in the conceivable future during the course of our lives. The U.S. coerced rules changes abroad using the VWP as stick/carrot. These US requirements were meant to cut down the channels for passport issuance, limit the availability of passport blanks and blank-completing machines, and tighten up the supply and logistics chain related to passport application, passport issuance, passport delivery/fulfillment and a few other passport related matters -- all of which are indicated by way of that post of mine which you quoted in #45 and claimed doesn't explain what I explained as having taken place. This isn't going to change.


Originally Posted by mre5765
The EU VWP countries should be collectively telling the USA to feel free to drop them from VWP. The sharp drop off in tourism will put an end to the alleged nonsense. If not, then the EU can drop the USA from its own VWP.

While I would hope that the EU and others would collectively tell the USG to "go pound sand" on some of these travel issues and on this one in particular, it just isn't happening and won't happen.

tanja Apr 15, 2015 8:43 am

Just because that an emergency passport is legal does not make it easy.allowed to travel with.
A lot of people working in the airports have no clue/knowledge about them.
the swedish emergeny passport are hand written and in pink.
Emergency passport and my GC should be enough to travel with. But however since it is an emergencyny passport that might not be enough. It all depends on who is checking me in and who is working in security that day. If it is the 'wrong" or a worker who has no clue then I will be asked to proove who I am with a bill that has my name on it. And if I cant provide that I will not fly.
So it has nothing to do with "just' an ID. card. It is the address paper work.

:D! Apr 15, 2015 11:22 am


Originally Posted by mre5765 (Post 24668375)
The EU VWP countries should be collectively telling the USA to feel free to drop them from VWP. The sharp drop off in tourism will put an end to the alleged nonsense. If not, then the EU can drop the USA from its own VWP.

The people I work with would continue going to the US even if they had to pay $130 for a full visa (and still not go to other countries which have no biometrics / (pre-arrival) tourist tax).

gylf Apr 15, 2015 11:23 am

Get your permanent passport from the embassy in DC if you're not able to get one at the consulate in SF and want the peace of mind.
You can schedule passport appointments with the embassy online, so you don't have to deal with the whole "no one picks up the phone" problem.
It sucks that it's across the country, and that Sweden doesn't have more mobile stations, and that the ones they have break all the time, but it sounds like that option might be the best one for you.

But, as we stated above, it's not really needed. Sas knows how to handle temporary passports (talk to a supervisor if your checkin person doesn't), and you can get through security without having to show it there.
It sounds like this is not acceptable for you though, so the DC option is probably your best bet.

tanja Apr 15, 2015 12:45 pm


Originally Posted by gylf (Post 24669530)
Get your permanent passport from the embassy in DC if you're not able to get one at the consulate in SF and want the peace of mind.
You can schedule passport appointments with the embassy online, so you don't have to deal with the whole "no one picks up the phone" problem.
It sucks that it's across the country, and that Sweden doesn't have more mobile stations, and that the ones they have break all the time, but it sounds like that option might be the best one for you.

But, as we stated above, it's not really needed. Sas knows how to handle temporary passports (talk to a supervisor if your checkin person doesn't), and you can get through security without having to show it there.
It sounds like this is not acceptable for you though, so the DC option is probably your best bet.

Thank you but I do know about W.DC. Just a hassle and so on . About TSA and not showing. In CA. I had to show my passport every time to them just like all other passengers. And TSA and airlines dont always work together. I know that SAS will accept the passport. But not even them can guarentee that TSA will. And TSA told me that they should but might not unless a lot of proof.

gylf Apr 15, 2015 1:09 pm

That's not TSA policy.
Even so, a badly trained agent might insist on a passport while clearing in the international terminal.
That's why we suggested clearing security in the domestic terminal with your CA id, or I-551, and then just walk to the international terminal airside.

tanja Apr 15, 2015 3:06 pm


Originally Posted by gylf (Post 24670066)
That's not TSA policy.
Even so, a badly trained agent might insist on a passport while clearing in the international terminal.
That's why we suggested clearing security in the domestic terminal with your CA id, or I-551, and then just walk to the international terminal airside.

What is I-551 ? Plus I have moved so the adrress is not acurate at all. my GC should be enough and the emergency passport.and in LA it was passports for everbody travelling.


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