TSA Pre not for International
Apr 27, 2013, 11:40 pm
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Last month I had an international itinerary, all on one ticket, and to my surprise i got PreCheck before a domestic segment connecting to international. AFAIK this is not supposed to happen.
Apr 28, 2013, 2:52 pm
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Reply from TSA after asking twice. First answer was just an explanation of the program. Some bot didn't bother to read & understand my query.
TSA has received comments and suggestions on this issue from other travelers. We have identified this issue, and we are determining the appropriate action to address this concern.
As changes and enhancements to aviation security are implemented, TSA publicizes updates in local and national media, as well as on its website at www.tsa.gov to aid travelers.
As changes and enhancements to aviation security are implemented, TSA publicizes updates in local and national media, as well as on its website at www.tsa.gov to aid travelers.
Apr 29, 2013, 3:18 pm
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TSA Pre not available for international but rather domestic only is, again, bureaucratic silliness. We are still certified "trusted traveler" no matter where we go. Why is going from New York to Paris different than New York to Miami? Nothing.
Inbound the reason could be they worry that you are bringing something from the outside, and therefore they bar you from using the privileged line when you're back home on connecting flight. Again this is utter silliness. Are we "trusted" traveler or not? Or are they trying to say even they don't trust their "trusted" traveler?
Inbound the reason could be they worry that you are bringing something from the outside, and therefore they bar you from using the privileged line when you're back home on connecting flight. Again this is utter silliness. Are we "trusted" traveler or not? Or are they trying to say even they don't trust their "trusted" traveler?
Apr 29, 2013, 6:37 pm
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The issue is not whether you're trusted in the U.S. It's whether the U.S. screening complies with the international standards expected by other countries in which you are arriving or, more important, transiting.
I agree it's silly, but in theory you are not being screened sufficiently to give, say, Germany comfort that you're not carrying something you shouldn't to Frankfurt and then onto a connecting flight within Europe.
I agree it's silly, but in theory you are not being screened sufficiently to give, say, Germany comfort that you're not carrying something you shouldn't to Frankfurt and then onto a connecting flight within Europe.
Apr 29, 2013, 9:23 pm
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The issue is not whether you're trusted in the U.S. It's whether the U.S. screening complies with the international standards expected by other countries in which you are arriving or, more important, transiting.
I agree it's silly, but in theory you are not being screened sufficiently to give, say, Germany comfort that you're not carrying something you shouldn't to Frankfurt and then onto a connecting flight within Europe.
I agree it's silly, but in theory you are not being screened sufficiently to give, say, Germany comfort that you're not carrying something you shouldn't to Frankfurt and then onto a connecting flight within Europe.
Where are people transitting and not going through security again?
I want to connect at that airport!
Apr 29, 2013, 10:40 pm
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Every time I've connected from an international flight to another flight (either international or domestic), I've had to reclear security as part of the transfer process.
Where are people transitting and not going through security again?
I want to connect at that airport!
Where are people transitting and not going through security again?
I want to connect at that airport!
Moreover, "regular" security in Europe (Asia, Australia, the Middle East...) is not that much more rigorous than "trusted" PreCheck screening in the US: there's no Nude-o-scope, no need to remove shoes or (often) jackets, no hands in underwear or aggressive patdowns.
The only real difference between PreCheck and security in other countries would be removing liquids and laptops from bags, and not even that in some countries.
Apr 30, 2013, 7:49 am
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Every time I've connected from an international flight to another flight (either international or domestic), I've had to reclear security as part of the transfer process.
Where are people transitting and not going through security again?
I want to connect at that airport!
Where are people transitting and not going through security again?
I want to connect at that airport!
No, this explanation does not answer why if you fly CDG-ORD-DEN, and you pass through security in ORD, why pre-check doesn't work there.
I'm not justifying it, just providing the apparent rationale.
Apr 30, 2013, 8:35 am
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TSA Pre not available for international but rather domestic only is, again, bureaucratic silliness. We are still certified "trusted traveler" no matter where we go. Why is going from New York to Paris different than New York to Miami? Nothing.
Inbound the reason could be they worry that you are bringing something from the outside, and therefore they bar you from using the privileged line when you're back home on connecting flight. Again this is utter silliness. Are we "trusted" traveler or not? Or are they trying to say even they don't trust their "trusted" traveler?
Inbound the reason could be they worry that you are bringing something from the outside, and therefore they bar you from using the privileged line when you're back home on connecting flight. Again this is utter silliness. Are we "trusted" traveler or not? Or are they trying to say even they don't trust their "trusted" traveler?
May 1, 2013, 8:24 am
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The issue is not whether you're trusted in the U.S. It's whether the U.S. screening complies with the international standards expected by other countries in which you are arriving or, more important, transiting.
I agree it's silly, but in theory you are not being screened sufficiently to give, say, Germany comfort that you're not carrying something you shouldn't to Frankfurt and then onto a connecting flight within Europe.
I agree it's silly, but in theory you are not being screened sufficiently to give, say, Germany comfort that you're not carrying something you shouldn't to Frankfurt and then onto a connecting flight within Europe.
May 1, 2013, 12:06 pm
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The issue is that other countries would be accepting pre-check people that are vetted by some obscure, internal USA-government process. Zero transparency. Terrible idea for the EU to accept pre-check pax.
May 1, 2013, 3:40 pm
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There isn't much transparency to the TSA's current process.
May 1, 2013, 5:37 pm
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Every time I've connected from an international flight to another flight (either international or domestic), I've had to reclear security as part of the transfer process.
Where are people transitting and not going through security again?
I want to connect at that airport!
Where are people transitting and not going through security again?
I want to connect at that airport!
May 4, 2013, 5:08 pm
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This reply is dead on.
May 7, 2013, 10:57 am
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May 12, 2013, 3:05 am
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News of the week.
Our PDX -> AMS boarding passes were marked TSEpre and we were allowed thru. The TSA agent said they had just received notification that TSApre is now allowed for international.
(and of course I missed the post above this one...)
Just confirming it's true!
Our PDX -> AMS boarding passes were marked TSEpre and we were allowed thru. The TSA agent said they had just received notification that TSApre is now allowed for international.
(and of course I missed the post above this one...)
Just confirming it's true!