Security fail at PHX.
Jun 5, 2011 | 7:56 pm
#31
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I was referring more to simply entering the sterile area, not boarding a flight, but does it really matter? The whole point of the sterile area is that it is well, sterile. Once an LEO is past security then a weapon could be transferred to a passenger, unless the TSA is relying on those ultra super secret gate checks. I personally do not care of an LEO is allowed in the sterile area, as I'm not a paranoid worker of a certain hyper-paranoid government organization. I was merely pointing out yet another whole in the joke of security that the TSA provides.
Jun 6, 2011 | 11:35 am
#33
Join Date: Feb 2010
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I was trying to keep it simple as what the OP is referring to happened at the WTMD but do you mean....
checking it at the ticket counter in the lobby
showing your creds and the pink, green or yellow form to the agent
signing the appropriate form for the agent
obtaining your boarding pass
proceeding to the checkpoint only to enter thru the exit after showing the gatekeeper your bp, creds and little form
and then there's "presenting yourself" to the gate agent where you show your creds and the little form
(with all the above in plane view of those around you who if they were at a minimum o f50% observant, they would see it [but we're talking about the "average person" who is dumb as a post anyway
])
checking it at the ticket counter in the lobby
showing your creds and the pink, green or yellow form to the agent
signing the appropriate form for the agent
obtaining your boarding pass
proceeding to the checkpoint only to enter thru the exit after showing the gatekeeper your bp, creds and little form
and then there's "presenting yourself" to the gate agent where you show your creds and the little form
(with all the above in plane view of those around you who if they were at a minimum o f50% observant, they would see it [but we're talking about the "average person" who is dumb as a post anyway
])FB
Jun 6, 2011 | 2:30 pm
#34
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True, I was just trying not to get too specific so I didnt respond.
Funny that I recently came across one of those multi part forms in one bag I havent used in several years!
You might as well just been screaming "Hey. look at me, Im the one with the gun". Nothing like forcing everyone in eyesight to know what you were doing.
Then there is always the fun of flying out of a NYC airport armed (or even with it legally in your checked baggage)....
Funny that I recently came across one of those multi part forms in one bag I havent used in several years!
You might as well just been screaming "Hey. look at me, Im the one with the gun". Nothing like forcing everyone in eyesight to know what you were doing.
Then there is always the fun of flying out of a NYC airport armed (or even with it legally in your checked baggage)....
Jun 6, 2011 | 2:57 pm
#35
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If so, why?
I can guarantee you that the background checks for my clearance are far, far more involved than anything a run of the mill cop gets.
Jun 6, 2011 | 3:25 pm
#36
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> "Hey. look at me, Im the one with the gun".
~7 years ago I was on the first departure out of SAN. I was 4th in line,
waiting for the TSA to begin working. (It was clear the 3 guys ahead of
me were together, but I wasn't "with" them.
We all had wallets for our IDs. After I clear the TDC, she shouts, "The
first four guys are FBI agents!" Huh? Whaa? I'm not ...
-doug
~7 years ago I was on the first departure out of SAN. I was 4th in line,
waiting for the TSA to begin working. (It was clear the 3 guys ahead of
me were together, but I wasn't "with" them.
We all had wallets for our IDs. After I clear the TDC, she shouts, "The
first four guys are FBI agents!" Huh? Whaa? I'm not ...
-doug
Jun 6, 2011 | 3:38 pm
#37
Join Date: Feb 2011
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> "Hey. look at me, Im the one with the gun".
~7 years ago I was on the first departure out of SAN. I was 4th in line,
waiting for the TSA to begin working. (It was clear the 3 guys ahead of
me were together, but I wasn't "with" them.
We all had wallets for our IDs. After I clear the TDC, she shouts, "The
first four guys are FBI agents!" Huh? Whaa? I'm not ...
-doug
~7 years ago I was on the first departure out of SAN. I was 4th in line,
waiting for the TSA to begin working. (It was clear the 3 guys ahead of
me were together, but I wasn't "with" them.
We all had wallets for our IDs. After I clear the TDC, she shouts, "The
first four guys are FBI agents!" Huh? Whaa? I'm not ...
-doug
Last edited by jtodd; Jun 6, 2011 at 4:21 pm
Jun 6, 2011 | 4:20 pm
#38
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I wouldn't say more entitled, but thanks for the personal attack.
Jun 6, 2011 | 11:25 pm
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Jun 7, 2011 | 7:14 am
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There was no personal attack. I don't think you, when traveling for anything other than the performance of your duties, should have any more place carrying a firearm through security than me.
You stated that the reason you want to keep your gun with you is that the so-called sterile area isn't sterile.
I read that as an expression of the opinion that the rules should be different for you when you're traveling than they should be for me, and I don't agree with that opinion.
You stated that the reason you want to keep your gun with you is that the so-called sterile area isn't sterile.
I read that as an expression of the opinion that the rules should be different for you when you're traveling than they should be for me, and I don't agree with that opinion.