Security fail at PHX.
Jun 3, 2011, 9:10 am
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Jun 3, 2011, 12:21 pm
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As for ID he used a drivers license.
I also have a commercial pilot license.... Background check for that was not done.
Going around the checkpoint when armed requires secure comminication with FAMs in advance.
I also have a commercial pilot license.... Background check for that was not done.
Going around the checkpoint when armed requires secure comminication with FAMs in advance.
Jun 3, 2011, 12:47 pm
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I thought it's on the honor system, sort of like for SIDA folks, who need to be screened before taking a flight but have free access to the concourse.
Jun 3, 2011, 12:49 pm
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I would hope that some sort of official check is require for an LEO to entire the sterile area armed, but that unfortunately does not always appear to the case. I know there have been incidents of people bypassing security by simply flashing honorary sheriffs badges.
Jun 3, 2011, 1:01 pm
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Jun 3, 2011, 1:03 pm
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And this I'll never understand. The TSA has such a burr up their butt about even pilots getting screened, but armed individuals are allowed to waltz right thru. In reality it take waaayyy less to become a LEO in some areas than it does to become a pilot. In some small towns all you need is a high school diploma and make it through academy. You will have a background check, but I doubt it is anywhere nearly as thorough as what the Feds put commercial pilots through. Also, how do they know the person is really a LEO? So many of the TSA apologists were demanding that flight crews be screens "just to make sure they weren't imposters". How is a LEO any different?
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Jun 3, 2011, 1:07 pm
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I thought that was for travel only (NLETS). For concourse access without flying (like investigations or the such), I didn't think that was required-- right?
I thought it's on the honor system, sort of like for SIDA folks, who need to be screened before taking a flight but have free access to the concourse.
I thought it's on the honor system, sort of like for SIDA folks, who need to be screened before taking a flight but have free access to the concourse.
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Jun 3, 2011, 1:55 pm
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If you fly charter or freight aircraft subject to the 12-5 rules, or into DCA, you most likely had a detailed background check. If you're cleared to fly into one of the DC-3 airports (VKX, W32, CGS), there was a background check that exceeds a SIDA background check. And, of course, pilots operating aircraft under Part 121 have a pretty detailed check.
From your comments, it doesn't sound like you had a check you knew about. But the FAA pilot records were/are screened against the TSA lists.
Jun 3, 2011, 8:34 pm
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Once you have everything set up with the FAM's, then you have to use the authorization you get from them along with the ID required to go around the checkpoint. Basically you go through the exit to the side of the security area (where you exit the sterile are after getting off your flight)
Jun 3, 2011, 10:44 pm
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A friend of mine is a retired federal LEO. He told me about a time when he was escorting a prisoner/witness on a flight and the TSO felt the need to grief my friend and whatnot. Apparently the TSO thought my friend would not arrest him. He was mistaken. He let the guy go after the supervisor got involved but I gotta think that no matter what SOP says interfering with an federal LEO is probably a bad idea.
Jun 4, 2011, 12:18 am
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Because it was someone who not working at Sky Harbor. He did not have SIDA badge without manager permission to come at work.
Jun 4, 2011, 2:05 am
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A friend of mine is a retired federal LEO. He told me about a time when he was escorting a prisoner/witness on a flight and the TSO felt the need to grief my friend and whatnot. Apparently the TSO thought my friend would not arrest him. He was mistaken. He let the guy go after the supervisor got involved but I gotta think that no matter what SOP says interfering with an federal LEO is probably a bad idea.
Jun 4, 2011, 3:37 am
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checking it at the ticket counter in the lobby
showing your creds and the pink, green or yellow form to the agent
signing the appropriate form for the agent
obtaining your boarding pass
proceeding to the checkpoint only to enter thru the exit after showing the gatekeeper your bp, creds and little form
and then there's "presenting yourself" to the gate agent where you show your creds and the little form
(with all the above in plane view of those around you who if they were at a minimum o f50% observant, they would see it [but we're talking about the "average person" who is dumb as a post anyway
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Jun 4, 2011, 8:32 am
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The communication is for flying. If the LEO tends to need access to the sterile area on any more than an occasional visit, the LEO will probably already have a SIDA badge. Though even with the SIDA badge many times TSA will still have Airport PD verify the LEO credentials.
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