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Old May 7, 2011 | 7:11 pm
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Originally Posted by InkUnderNails
Two quickly answered questions:

Are the machines calibrated or checked with a "known contaminant" test strip?

If yes, is it possible that this was what the OP saw tested as their sample?

Now one that is not so easy:

Why would they do this?
Yes, several times a shift. Is it possible? Sure it could happen, however unlikely given that the calibration strips are kept no where near the units and are only pulled out when a calibration is being done. And as TSORon pointed out, they look distinctly different to avoid putting in the wrong strip.
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Old May 7, 2011 | 7:18 pm
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OK, I looked over the part of my OP that you bolded, and my other posts, and, frankly, I am stumped as to how feel justified in claiming that my story had changed. In fact, I don't believe you actually pointed out anything at all which made even the slightest hint that my story had changed, so I am left to wonder why you made that accusation without even such a slight hint.

For what it's worth, the TSA employee who called his supervisor when he recognized me at the end of the TSA line was not the screener nor the supervisor of the screener to which I referred in my OP, but was another TSA employee. The screener and his supervisor came later, and at about the same time.

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Old May 7, 2011 | 7:21 pm
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Originally Posted by jubal harshaw
@TSO1973:
OK, I looked over the part of my OP that you bolded, and my other posts, and, frankly, I am stumped as to how feel justified in claiming that my story had changed. In fact, I don't believe you actually pointed out anything at all which made even the slightest hint that my story had changed, so I am left to wonder why you made that accusation without even such a slight hint.

For what it's worth, the TSA employee who called his supervisor when he recognized me at the end of the TSA line was not the screener nor the supervisor of the screener to which I referred in my OP, but was another TSA employee. The screener and his supervisor came later, and at about the same time.
You stated in the OP that you had your patdown, and then after the patdown, during the swab test, the supervisor was called. In your last post, you stated that as soon as you were recognized, the TSO "immediately got on the walkie-talkie", called the supervisor, who then apparently called the police. That's distinctly different than being called after the patdown. You are implying by your last post that the STSO and LEO were called immediately on sight of you.

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Old May 7, 2011 | 7:26 pm
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Re: "You stated in the OP that you had your patdown, and then after the patdown, during the swab test, the supervisor was called."
OK, TSO1973, I challenge you to point out where I stated such a thing in the OP.
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Old May 7, 2011 | 7:29 pm
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No attempted frame up here. TSOs don't stand to gain anything by "framing" a passenger.

Other possibilities for the ETD alarm may include something the passenger had on his or her person. That's why the supervisor asks questions: to determine if there was some reasonable explanation for the ETD alarm, which in this case, was apparently resolved. Otherwise, the OP would not have been allowed to board the plane. Contamination could be a possibility; however, supervisors do a pretty good job staying on top of that. I don't know about this particular airport; however, at our airport, we have a 500 pound gorilla affectionately known as the AFSD. He don't like it when we do something stoopid.

From what I read, the supervisor probably should have done a better job explaining things to the OP. And the supervisor may have done that, but that would disrupt the flow of the anti-TSA rhetoric.

Bottom line: the alarm was cleared and the passenger allowed to board the plane.
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Old May 7, 2011 | 7:30 pm
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Originally Posted by jubal harshaw
This week, I was the victim of an attempted frame-up by the TSA. Here's my story; I present it as a warning. I suppose the only take-home message is that one should insist on an independent witness, such as a police officer in my case, during TSA “searches.” Thing is, I don't know how independent most police officers are likely to be.

This week, I went through LAX, and refused to go through the radiation scanner. I went through a manual search instead. During this process, I was “patted down.” During the “pat down” process, the screener announced what he was doing: “I'm putting my hand in your collar … I'm going to move my hand side to side ...” etc. After the “pat down” process, the screener who patted me down grabbed a test strip that had nothing to do with me, and was sitting on top of the test strip reader, apparently before I'd gotten to the “pat down” area. I will designate that as “test strip A.” He continued with his description of what he was doing, though by this time he was talking to his supervisor. “I handled the test strip that was on the machine before I put his [referring to me] strip in the machine.” The supervisor, who had apparently not expected this apparent rookie to continue his self-descriptive monologue during an obviously inappropriate part of the testing procedure told the screener to get on with the test. The screener then swabbed the same gloves with which he had:

(1) “patted me down” and
(2) handled test strip A

with an apparently fresh test strip, which I will designate “test strip B.” The screener then put test strip B in the reader. The reader then reported “explosives.”

I pointed out to both the supervisor and the screener than this was invalid test, since the screener (knowingly, since he'd described to his supervisor what he'd done) had contaminated his gloves with test strip A before handling test strip B. Upon hearing me point this out, the screener then picked up test strip A, which he had previously placed on top of the reader after handling it (apparently to be ready for the next person) and threw it out.

By this time, the police had been called. I explained what had happened to the officer, and asked officer him to investigate. I pointed out that there were cameras everywhere in this area, including two camera emplacements almost immediately above the reader. The police officer apparently called whoever was monitoring those cameras, and told me that those cameras were not working, and had not captured any of these events. I asked for an investigation, and the Officer told me that I could take it up with the TSA.

I was then told by the TSA personnel that I would have to undergo further screening away from the public. I did not refuse, but pointed out that I did not want to go to some back room for some unknown purpose, especially based on a knowingly adulterated chemical test. The police officer offered to accompany me as a witness, and I eventually went to a closed room, where I was again “patted down.” This time, in the presence of the police officer, I was again patted down, with largely the same procedure. This time, however, with the police officer watching, the new test read negative for explosives. I shudder to think what the second screening, in an isolated area, would have “found” if the police officer had not been present.

I pointed out again that I wanted an investigation, and stated that the test strip A was sitting on top of the garbage container where the first screener had thrown it. Having apparently heard that the video cameras covering the first test area were nonfunctional, the first screener (the one who had rubbed his gloves with a test strip from the top of the test machine) piped up at this point, and stated that he had thrown away nothing except his gloves.

There was a TSA supervisor there at this point, and I advised that supervisor that the screener had lied about this process, and asked the supervisor point blank how to formally request an investigation into this event. The supervisor told me that I could call the TSA 800 number.

I then went on to my flight.

There's a warning here to everyone who flies. The TSA is apparently in the process of mastering “throw down” evidence, though they don't seem to be particularly good at it yet. Beware, and ask for a police officer or independent witness when you are searched by the TSA.
See bolded area....From your description, the supervisor was not there until after the patdown had been completed.
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Old May 7, 2011 | 7:38 pm
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Originally Posted by TSO1973
See bolded area....From your description, the supervisor was not there until after the patdown had been completed.
it does not say anything of the sort. I agree there is no mention of the supervisor before that, but there is no mention of the supervisor being there or not before that.

Just as you assume the supervisor was not there, one may assume they were - cuts both ways unless you are an infallible government employee at clerk level...
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Old May 7, 2011 | 7:40 pm
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Yes, I read the bolded area. Where in that bolded area, or in any other part of the OP, did I say that the supervisor was called in after the "pat down?"

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Old May 7, 2011 | 7:46 pm
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Originally Posted by jubal harshaw
@TSO1973:
Yes, I read the bolded area. Where in that bolded area, or in any other part of the OP, did I say that the supervisor was called in after the "pat down?"
Considering that the very first mention of a supervisor even being present was after the patdown was completed, your description can lead to that conclusion. Thank you sir for the clarification.

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Old May 7, 2011 | 8:06 pm
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re: "TSOs don't stand to gain anything by "framing" a passenger."
And you know this how? The fact is, an obviously adulterated / incorrect test was done upon me, and the results of that nonsense test were used to move me to an isolated screening area, away from the general public. The person who did the adulterated test lied about it, and I was advised that all the cameras over the screening area were non-operational, and did not "see" the events that had happened at the screening area.

re: "the alarm was cleared and the passenger allowed to board the plane:" the alarm was "cleared" only when a second test was done in the presence of a police officer who had fortuitously volunteered to watch the second test, and who the TSA had no idea would be present for the second test. If the police officer had not volunteered to be present, I believe the second test would have been positive, then a search (sans police officer or any other non-TSA witnesses) would have been done.

Who knows what this search would have "found?" All I know is that the TSA was willing to perform a fraudulent test, and lie about it, and deny the existence of video evidence of their fraud. The immediate intent appears to have been to get me hidden away by myself in a closed room with them. What about this whole process seems benign to you?
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Old May 7, 2011 | 9:07 pm
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Originally Posted by TSO1973
Considering that the very first mention of a supervisor even being present was after the patdown was completed, your description can lead to that conclusion. Thank you sir for the clarification.
I gotta side with TSO1973 on this one. The description can be a little misleading. I had to read it several times, using different cadences in my mind while reading, to see how the OP meant it. I guess it's a case of one too many dangling participles or misplaced modifiers.
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Old May 7, 2011 | 9:21 pm
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@TSO1973 and @G_Wolf:

OK, thank you both for pointing out that my writing was not clear to you. I still don't see the confusion, but, if more than one person misinterpreted what I wrote, then that obviously implies that my writing was less clear than I think it is.

TSO1973, I apologize for my snarkyness in responding to you; if you and G_Wolf both did not understand me, then I am certainly willing to accept that the misunderstanding was my fault, not yours. I will try to be more clear in the future.
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Old May 7, 2011 | 9:35 pm
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Originally Posted by jubal harshaw
@Bart:
re: "TSOs don't stand to gain anything by "framing" a passenger."
And you know this how? The fact is, an obviously adulterated / incorrect test was done upon me, and the results of that nonsense test were used to move me to an isolated screening area, away from the general public. The person who did the adulterated test lied about it, and I was advised that all the cameras over the screening area were non-operational, and did not "see" the events that had happened at the screening area.

re: "the alarm was cleared and the passenger allowed to board the plane:" the alarm was "cleared" only when a second test was done in the presence of a police officer who had fortuitously volunteered to watch the second test, and who the TSA had no idea would be present for the second test. If the police officer had not volunteered to be present, I believe the second test would have been positive, then a search (sans police officer or any other non-TSA witnesses) would have been done.

Who knows what this search would have "found?" All I know is that the TSA was willing to perform a fraudulent test, and lie about it, and deny the existence of video evidence of their fraud. The immediate intent appears to have been to get me hidden away by myself in a closed room with them. What about this whole process seems benign to you?
Well, what I'm about to share is Super-Dooper Secret Information, or SDSI, but we do have a secret list of passengers we need to set up for additional screening even if it means having to work past our shift because we just love filling out paperwork.

You're onto us. Doggone it. Another valuable "secret" compromised here on FlyerTalk. This means that TSA will have to scrub the current SOP, change procedures and generate a new SOP.

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Old May 7, 2011 | 9:49 pm
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Originally Posted by Mr. Elliott
All the more reason to keep your cell phone on record when going through the checkpoint.

And from what I have read, those states with 2 party agreement to record a conversation only applies if the conversation is private, a checkpoint is a public area and any conversation can be overheard so the conversation is not private. And the TSA allows recordings at the checkpoint except recording images on any monitors at the checkpoint.

Remember John Tyner, the dont touch my junk guy and the campaigner for Ron Paul who had $4700. in cash with him, both had their cell phone recording their encounters with the TSA.

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There are states where the two-party rule applies even if it's not private--cops have used it to bust people who record traffic stops.
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Old May 7, 2011 | 9:56 pm
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Originally Posted by Bart
No attempted frame up here. TSOs don't stand to gain anything by "framing" a passenger.
What does anyone gain by retaliation? Yet it happens.

This sounds like a case of retaliation.
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