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Originally Posted by magiciansampras
(Post 16312383)
+1
The structure of fear here is way more powerful than any one individual or administration even. The individuals can change, the structure will not.
Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much
(Post 16313781)
Apparently, there are armed NG guys already patrolling NYC airports and the WTC site.
The climate of fear demands that the TSA do something visible. Some things they can do very easily that don't cost a lot of money -- 1. Vehicle searches at airport entrances; 2. requiring everyone to say their names, just like at SFO; 3. Friskings for nearly everybody; 4. Increased gate rapes; 5. Packs of roving clerks going around terminals conducting random searches or people, bags, and drinks. 6. Increased harassment on subways, trains, and buses, and possibly even highways. State and local governments can do this without the TSA. And, of course, a puppy post on PV. The TSA will welcome this, because it buys them time from the current outrage over their screening tactics. For sure, anyone speaking out will be declared to be a sympathizer or generally UnAmerican. It's going to be a rough week to attempt to go anywhere. On the flip side, I suspect there will be some public debate along the lines of: "OBL is dead. Why do we have to keep doing these things at airports?" |
Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much
(Post 16313781)
Apparently, there are armed NG guys already patrolling NYC airports and the WTC site.
The climate of fear demands that the TSA do something visible. Some things they can do very easily that don't cost a lot of money -- 1. Vehicle searches at airport entrances; 2. requiring everyone to say their names, just like at SFO; 3. Friskings for nearly everybody; 4. Increased gate rapes; 5. Packs of roving clerks going around terminals conducting random searches or people, bags, and drinks. 6. Increased harassment on subways, trains, and buses, and possibly even highways. State and local governments can do this without the TSA. And, of course, a puppy post on PV. The TSA will welcome this, because it buys them time from the current outrage over their screening tactics. For sure, anyone speaking out will be declared to be a sympathizer or generally UnAmerican. It's going to be a rough week to attempt to go anywhere. On the flip side, I suspect there will be some public debate along the lines of: "OBL is dead. Why do we have to keep doing these things at airports?" http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/02/op...outhat.html?hp :confused: |
Security seems much tighter today than last week. Lots of putdowns caused by increasing sensitivity of metal detectors, closer examinations of luggage, etc. I think I am done flying, after this trip for a few weeks.
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I still have only one question Re: being in a post-OBL world:
Currently, both TLH and MHT are NoS-free. Will this continue to be the case in August 2011? |
Originally Posted by halls120
(Post 16313797)
Unfortunately, you are absolutely correct.
While I hope your last observation takes hold and blossoms, the more likely outcome is whay you noted in the body of your post. I fully expect to see TSA use this as justification for continuing their war on the traveling public. "Mission Accomplished" |
My sense is that we will be able to move on
Of course there will be a lot of talk about terror for another few days/weeks. But that's it. The world has moved on: With the horrible incidents in Japan and the Gulf of Mexico last year (and a very visible raise in gas prices) the focus is now going to be on energy.
Similarly, none of the this terror nonsense played a role in the North Africa / Middle East events over the past months. And maybe people will slowly start to realize that in the competition of systems, investments made in security measures have a low ROI and that maybe (just maybe) an investment into schools would have been more beneficial to the long term prosperity of this country... |
Originally Posted by Chairmanmeow
(Post 16312688)
I never mentioned parties. A new president will bring in new department heads, though. I just desperately want to believe that they will be more sensible and take a rational look at operations.
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with OBL dead, how will this affect security? |
The additional expenditure on resource allocation airside speaks to the lack of confidence in the TSA keeping contraband out.
My tour of NYC airports and a visit to near the WTC site is underway this hour. |
Originally Posted by weekilter
(Post 16314214)
That is naïve at best. It doesn't matter that you didn't mention parties. If something changes it would mean governing by a different party. Guess w hat that party is? Oh, if you can't figure that one out it's hopeless anyway. When have Republicans ever done better at not taking away our civil liberties? What makes you think that whoever comes in to replace them won't be even worse than what we presently have? Do you want the devil you do know or the devil you don't?
While we could possibly do worse, to do so would require actual malice on the part of the new administration. Certainly incompetence could not result in anything worse. As for how this will affect security, the only change that I see is that I will no longer be able to tell people, "I wouldn't care if Osama bin Ladin was sitting next to me as long as we had hardened cockpit doors, proactive passengers, and an sensible ETD system in place. Weapons and incendiaries could threaten passengers, but could do no real harm to the populace." After all, nobody wants to sit next to a corpse. |
Originally Posted by AUS2008
(Post 16312278)
You know...I actually didn't mind the soldiers with large guns at the airport. Way better than the current TSA circus.
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Originally Posted by jwhite4304
(Post 16313923)
...Lots of putdowns caused by increasing sensitivity of metal detectors, closer examinations of luggage, etc. ...
The "security" *ahem* experts have all told us that metal is no longer the threat. The Threat has "evolved" and is now of a non-metallic variety. If this is the case, then why are WTMDs more sensitive? Proving once again that the entire TSA organization top down is nothing more than an elaborate collection of asshats that couldn't find a banana using a monkey. |
Originally Posted by DTW-HomeyFour
(Post 16314363)
Agree 100%. I'd much rather have people who are trained and who obey orders patrolling the airports than the rent-a-cops.
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That's odd. Successful hijackings in the past have involved guns or hand grenades. Metal. The Evil Muhammed Hussein Al-Jazeera Box Knives(TM)? Metal.
Plus, if I recall correctly, aren't there inherent dangers with guns being fired on in-flight aircraft?
Originally Posted by barbell
(Post 16314398)
How is this possible?
The "security" *ahem* experts have all told us that metal is no longer the threat. The Threat has "evolved" and is now of a non-metallic variety. If this is the case, then why are WTMDs more sensitive? Proving once again that the entire TSA organization top down is nothing more than an elaborate collection of asshats that couldn't find a banana using a monkey. |
Originally Posted by mahohmei
(Post 16314471)
That's odd...?
Testimony to the House Oversight Committee from TSA says otherwise... |
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