Explosive Sniffing Dogs?
#16
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And I'll bet he did. British forces have them, and they are part of the TO&E of Combat Support Hospitals and Evac Hospitals of U.S. forces.
#18
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Excuse me but if the dogs aren't useful, why is the TSA promoting the training program all over television:
http://video.foxnews.com/v/4631110/e...-sniffing-dogs
and why is there this thread at PV:
http://blog.tsa.gov/2011/04/tsa-welc...0th-puppy.html
It ticks me off no end, however, that TSA persists in its fear-mongering by naming these dogs after those who died on 9/11.
http://video.foxnews.com/v/4631110/e...-sniffing-dogs
and why is there this thread at PV:
http://blog.tsa.gov/2011/04/tsa-welc...0th-puppy.html
It ticks me off no end, however, that TSA persists in its fear-mongering by naming these dogs after those who died on 9/11.
#20
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For better or worse, the TSA is indeed developing such dogs:
http://www.tsa.gov/lawenforcement/pr...y_program.shtm
http://www.tsa.gov/lawenforcement/pr...y_program.shtm
#21
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2) The dogs won't vote to unionize.
3) Michael Chertoff doesn't make any money on dogs, so Napolitano and Pistole can't get any kickbacks for using them.
#22
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I don't personally know any TSO's and can't comment on their IQ levels but I've met some really smart dogs!
#23
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The argument these clowns put forth is that dogs have a short attention span, and are good for a half hour at a time.
Some of us might think this could be scaled by adding more dogs and handlers. The TSA would rather spend resources on visual strip searches and hand searching our groins, butts, and breasts.
They fall back on the argument that they have to process 2 million pax a day, and this is how they must do it, the only way they can do it. So, the problem is framed as, "how do we process 2 million inanimate things (passengers) a day" rather than, how can we best screen large numbers of passengers in ways that (1) do not violate Constitutional guarantees, and (2) do not humiliate and embarrass these human beings.
They have framed the problem incorrectly, and therefore they have an incorrect solution.
Some of us might think this could be scaled by adding more dogs and handlers. The TSA would rather spend resources on visual strip searches and hand searching our groins, butts, and breasts.
They fall back on the argument that they have to process 2 million pax a day, and this is how they must do it, the only way they can do it. So, the problem is framed as, "how do we process 2 million inanimate things (passengers) a day" rather than, how can we best screen large numbers of passengers in ways that (1) do not violate Constitutional guarantees, and (2) do not humiliate and embarrass these human beings.
They have framed the problem incorrectly, and therefore they have an incorrect solution.
#24
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It is also true that they are trained by commodity and whilst some are multi-scented they would be of little use for electronic / electrical component parts or offensive weapons such as knives. I suppose there are a large number of chemicals that could be used in a device and it stands to reason that the dog is not going to be able to cover all the potential threats by scent.
#25
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#26
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I would rather have dogs sniffing my butt and crotch than being felt up by some dude i don't know.
#27
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Seems a fair assertion that a dog has a limited attention span of about 20-30mins of constant working. They also need time out to be rewarded. It is also true that they are trained by commodity and whilst some are multi-scented they would be of little use for electronic / electrical component parts or offensive weapons such as knives. I suppose there are a large number of chemicals that could be used in a device and it stands to reason that the dog is not going to be able to cover all the potential threats by scent. Can't see it working on an industrial scale as a primary system. Seems to me that they would be of more use as a focused resource used in a targeted way and supplementing the primary regime, as imperfect as it may be.
Ideally one would not want large lines of people in an exposed environment like that awaiting security screening...and the WBI machines have lengthened lines due to their being sooooo slow. WTMD is incredibly effective at detecting metal, and metal is far and away the most effective material for constructing a reliable gun. Twenty years ago, when the big concern was the potential for someone with a ceramic knife to hijack an airplane, hold everyone hostage and demand something in return, WBI might have been useful; but with passengers that assume anybody taking over the plane will kill them, very secure cockpit doors, and heat wielding pilots, ceramic knives are of ABSOLUTE ZERO concern to me now.
Effective airport security should be much simpler than it currently is. Have dog handlers walking around in the areas outside security, letting the dogs work, and switching off periodically. Use WTMD to scan passengers, and bring back the hand held wands (also very effective - why did they go away?) for use when alarming. Pat downs should be based on standard law enforcement practice, perhaps even done by LEOs, only when wanding does not reveal issues. If the underwear bomber was carrying 80g of explosives, the dogs probably would have detected it as soon as he entered the terminal.
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Not that I condone puppy mills....