?? Interfering with the screening process??
Apr 6, 2011 | 9:58 pm
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Apr 6, 2011 | 10:02 pm
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Yes, but as you well know, some constitutional rights (e.g, the 4th Amendment) are applied by means of balancing tests and whether or not a specific action is a violation may well be dependent on the severity of the terrorism threat.
Apr 6, 2011 | 11:33 pm
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[*QUOTE=Boggie Dog;16174179]
What is the exact language for TSA Interferring with Screening violations..[/QUOTE]
As the OP we are finally back to my question. Hopefully our proclaimed TSA employee will provide the specific answer AND the specific section of federal law that defines the illegal acts , authorizes arrest by whom and what the penalties are.
A previous post earlier on indicated this: "Section 802 [ USA Patriot Act ] (a) DOMESTIC TERRORISM DEFINED- Section 2331 of title 18 , United States Code, is amended (5) the term `domestic terrorism means activities that (B) appear to be intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; ". It appears to me that keeping the specifics of "Interferring with Screening violations."(both physical and non-physical) from public and making such statements as DoYouWantToFlyToday , TSA and its employees are intending (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; "ie the traveling public and thus fits the definition of a DOMESTIC TERRORIST as outlined in a) DOMESTIC TERRORISM DEFINED- Section 2331 of title 18 , United States Code. Surprise me with some valid information other than its SSi.....
What is the exact language for TSA Interferring with Screening violations..[/QUOTE]
As the OP we are finally back to my question. Hopefully our proclaimed TSA employee will provide the specific answer AND the specific section of federal law that defines the illegal acts , authorizes arrest by whom and what the penalties are.
A previous post earlier on indicated this: "Section 802 [ USA Patriot Act ] (a) DOMESTIC TERRORISM DEFINED- Section 2331 of title 18 , United States Code, is amended (5) the term `domestic terrorism means activities that (B) appear to be intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; ". It appears to me that keeping the specifics of "Interferring with Screening violations."(both physical and non-physical) from public and making such statements as DoYouWantToFlyToday , TSA and its employees are intending (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; "ie the traveling public and thus fits the definition of a DOMESTIC TERRORIST as outlined in a) DOMESTIC TERRORISM DEFINED- Section 2331 of title 18 , United States Code. Surprise me with some valid information other than its SSi.....
Apr 6, 2011 | 11:41 pm
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As the OP we are finally back to my question. Hopefully our proclaimed TSA employee will provide the specific answer AND the specific section of federal law that defines the illegal acts , authorizes arrest by whom and what the penalties are. [/QUOTE]TSA's rules are regulations -- they are not federal laws. Some of them are published as CFRs. Others are simply procedures and not published at all. TSOs are not authorized to arrest anyone. They can only call a law enforcement officer over and ask him or her to make the arrest. The penalties are published in a CFR which appears a link given earlier in the thread.
Apr 7, 2011 | 12:43 pm
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Thanks found the link to the Enforcement Sanction Guidance Policy. The question of exactly what is "Interference with screening" still remains. "Physical contact" could have some reasonable assumptions but "Non-physical interference " is a big unknown that could be very subjective. Hopefully TSA "eyecue" will provide some information received in TSA training sessions regarding this question.
Apr 7, 2011 | 1:01 pm
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Yet those rules do not describe what act I must have committed to be fined by TSA.
That in my book is a very large problem.
Based on some TSA yahoo's complaint I can be charged for doing something that I have no way of knowing was a violation of some hokey rule.
That is UN-AMERICAN as is TSA!
Apr 7, 2011 | 1:59 pm
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They are not even that. In practice what is in the regulations, posted on the TSA website or otherwise released to the public are merely guidelines.
Each airport is its own little fiefdom where these guidelines may be followed, ignored, modified or invented at each level from the FSD down to the tub stacker. Ignorance of them is no defense, they are whatever the TSA employees say they are.
Each airport is its own little fiefdom where these guidelines may be followed, ignored, modified or invented at each level from the FSD down to the tub stacker. Ignorance of them is no defense, they are whatever the TSA employees say they are.
Apr 7, 2011 | 2:14 pm
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Hunh? Please give me one example of a filed lawsuit in which the plaintiffs struggled to "keep them open," because of the "current state of affairs as it reflects on the war on terrorism." Law suits are not dismissed because of, "the current state of affairs as it reflects on the war on terrorism."
There's another TSO who posts here and frequently makes the same mistake as you're making here. It does NOT matter how severe the threat of terrorism (only Congress can declare a war and it has not done so against, "terrorism"), constitutional rights can NOT be impaired.
There's another TSO who posts here and frequently makes the same mistake as you're making here. It does NOT matter how severe the threat of terrorism (only Congress can declare a war and it has not done so against, "terrorism"), constitutional rights can NOT be impaired.
Apr 7, 2011 | 4:07 pm
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I just reread 3-4 pages of posts, and I may have missed it, but did my questions ever get answered? (Other than the totally unhelpful you should know if you just think about it answer I got initially.)
Much of the problem I have with the TSA is that we are required to follow a set of rules that we can not read, if we break them we can not know the penalty, and if we ask for clarification we are told it depends.
Much of the problem I have with the TSA is that we are required to follow a set of rules that we can not read, if we break them we can not know the penalty, and if we ask for clarification we are told it depends.
Apr 7, 2011 | 4:32 pm
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did my questions ever get answered?
(Sorry, there's an Airplane thread going on in Travelbuzz
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Apr 8, 2011 | 5:38 am
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TSA's rules are regulations -- they are not federal laws. Some of them are published as CFRs. Others are simply procedures and not published at all. TSOs are not authorized to arrest anyone. They can only call a law enforcement officer over and ask him or her to make the arrest. The penalties are published in a CFR which appears a link given earlier in the thread.
Yet those rules do not describe what act I must have committed to be fined by TSA.
That in my book is a very large problem.
Based on some TSA yahoo's complaint I can be charged for doing something that I have no way of knowing was a violation of some hokey rule.
That is UN-AMERICAN as is TSA![/QUOTE]Please watch your attributions. I did not write what you have quoted.
Apr 8, 2011 | 10:12 am
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I just reread 3-4 pages of posts, and I may have missed it, but did my questions ever get answered? (Other than the totally unhelpful you should know if you just think about it answer I got initially.)
Much of the problem I have with the TSA is that we are required to follow a set of rules that we can not read, if we break them we can not know the penalty, and if we ask for clarification we are told it depends.
Much of the problem I have with the TSA is that we are required to follow a set of rules that we can not read, if we break them we can not know the penalty, and if we ask for clarification we are told it depends.
eyecue, if I have misunderstood you, please post YES / NO answers to each of the questions, after which I will apologize.