1 John 3:15 applies here folks.

I'm getting fed up with the hate. Get a grip already. It's counterproductive, and a distraction we can ill afford.

TSA employees are our fellow Americans, and human to boot. We may disagree with them, but hating them is not helpful.

Elizabeth,

I respect you and your postings, but I'm going to have to disagree with both statements.

I don't believe that TSA employees are either "fellow Americans" or "human" in at least one of its several meanings.

"Homo sapiens sapiens?" Possibly. But "human" as the root of "humane?" Nope. I don't believe that for a second.

:-: to Mrs. Conley, once again.

May I also add one of the best tenets of psychological warfare:

"Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer."

There is doubt as to who initially uttered the line.

They are domestic terrorists, enemies of the citizens of the united states. They will receive no aid nor comfort.

I'll take this under advisement, however I don't expect to change my feelings at all.

It is not a matter of hate. With TSA it is a matter of right and wrong, freedom and anarchy.

Our founders and many, many others since have paid heavily for the rights we enjoy. To have any agency come in and try to destroy that is unacceptable.

I view TSA as a Clear and Present Danger to the United States of America.

1. Epic has made another attempt to get the TSA to release their Naked Scammer pics. That's productive. I come here to learn of such things. I wish there was a single source of such productive, encouraging information. At one time this forum was just such a place.

2. If we could leverage some relief from TSA civil rights violations, but TSA employees would benefit as well, would we reject such an opportunity? If we hated sufficiently, then perhaps we might be that foolish. Hatred of an idea that is an anathema to Good is one thing, hatred of a person is quite another.

Jesus, will the hyperbole ever end in this forum? I mean good God.

I'm reminded of a folksy saying I heard once. Being Southern by heritage, and once again by domicile, I'm fond of such things.

"Trying to handle a problem through anger is as effective as straightening a pile of papers with a fan."

Mrs. Conley reminds us that we may hate the sin, but love the sinner, so to speak. It does us no good to be blinded by hate.

We can be an organized, effective force for good. Let's harness that.

Thanks ever so much for telling me how I should feel

Kudos to Elizabeth for expressing what many feel here.

So instead of hating the system (and some those who work within it), how would we - the educated frequently-flying public - define "an acceptable security system" in a post-hate DHS/TSA world?

How would the passenger and/or baggage screening process change?
What defines an acceptable level of risk?
Who would best be responsible/accountable for administering it?
Who would be be in charge of oversight?


I've just been thinking how good it would be to offer a solution.

Thoughts?

With all due respect, not all of us necessarily rely on the Bible, has a Bible, identifies as Christian, or has access to religious material at work or home, etc. As a long-lapsed former Christian (now I am agnostic) I have no idea what this scripture is, so simply telling me (and others) it applies here isn't incredibly helpful.

Again, with all due respect, telling others to "get a grip" is basically telling others what to do and think. It's different than offering an opinion about more useful behavior and/or commentary.

Quite frankly, my negative experience with the TSA involved the employee telling me to "get a grip". I found it offensive then for obvious reasons - someone is telling me what to do, what to say, how to react. It's not well received in this instance, either, for the same reasons. And I'm saying this as one who hasn't really called anyone names or the like; I may not agree when I read some of the postings, but I won't impinge on others' First Amendment rights, either.

Just my opinion.

Leaving it in as it is certainly a well-stated opinion.

I honestly don�t hate most of the TSOs. There are a few that I do, especially that [omitted] at ORD that purposefully hit my testicle in retaliation for making him do the patdown. I am a fellow American and a human, and he had no regard for me.

I�ve dealt with hundreds, if not thousands, of TSA personnel. I let them set the tone. I will opt out and I will not answer questions where they are not required to know the answer. If they are reasonable humans they will understand that I don�t want my toddler touched. If they are unreasonable, then so am I. Gladly, most of them couldn�t care less about their role. I�ve talked my way out of secondary screening, pat downs, and carrying concealed liquids. How can I hate them for that? (Well I do hate I have to do those things.)

Not to wax philosophical here, but Anger, Hatred, Disdain and Disgust are quite separate emotions, although it is sometimes difficult to distinguish them.

I don't take the threats of physical harm or hyperbolic vitriol towards TSA staff as posted here seriously or literally. Just the work of keyboard warriors.

One can always 'plonk' the offenders or indeed the object(s) of their attention @:-) .

That's a popular cop, and it gets you exactly nowhere with me.

It's currently PC to honor feewwwings above all else. I call Bravo Sierra on that particular trauma-drama. Every feewwwing need not be honored equally.