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InkUnderNails Mar 25, 2011 7:23 pm


Originally Posted by n4zhg (Post 16102878)
No one writing "Pistole Is A Moron" on their baggies?

I would, but it would seem a waste of time as it never comes out of my backpack.

FaustsAccountant Mar 25, 2011 7:38 pm


Originally Posted by LeeAnne (Post 16101039)
And are you suggesting that SATTSO might try to find out who I am? And take retaliatory actions against me? Because of my posts in FT? Wow. That would be stalking. If he is doing these things, he is one sick individual indeed.

Fortunately I don't have any reason that I can think of in the foreseeable future to travel to San Antonio, so I don't think I'm going to be encountering him any time soon.

LeeAnne, may I suggest ceasing and ignoring any and all contact with SATTSO. Who knows if he is even a real TSA employee.

But there are whackjobs in the world who would go through extraordinary lengths and (physical) miles to hurt, intimidate or generally negatively interact with someone they choose as a victim.

I don't mean to scare you, or to suggest SATSO is one, but out of caution, don't give any more details that could identify you, your loved ones, or location.

LeeAnne Mar 25, 2011 8:10 pm


Originally Posted by FaustsAccountant (Post 16103374)
LeeAnne, may I suggest ceasing and ignoring any and all contact with SATTSO. Who knows if he is even a real TSA employee.

But there are whackjobs in the world who would go through extraordinary lengths and (physical) miles to hurt, intimidate or generally negatively interact with someone they choose as a victim.

I don't mean to scare you, or to suggest SATSO is one, but out of caution, don't give any more details that could identify you, your loved ones, or location.

I've already ceased all communication. And I don't think I've posted enough information on FT that would allow someone to actually find me. I hope not, anyway! The sad fact is, there's always a risk when you engage in online communication with anonymous strangers, that one of them will end up being a sick whacko. For all I know, TSORon is looking for me right now!

chollie Mar 25, 2011 8:27 pm


Originally Posted by LeeAnne (Post 16101039)
Wow. If what you are saying is true - that retaliatory actions were taken against a disabled traveler by SATTSO simply because you asked about a previous incident - this person should not only be fired, but prosecuted for harassment.


NO! A disabled family member had a bad experience at SAT. I posted about it. SATTSO asked for further details - checkpoint, flights, times, etc - purportedly to look into what had happened and possibly follow up. I don't believe that what happened was a one-off. I think if SATTSO genuinely wanted to monitor or improve the checkpoint treatment of disabled pax, it would be easy enough for him to review tapes and see how they are actually treated. I could see no positive reason to give details and every possible risk in doing so.

LeeAnne Mar 25, 2011 9:21 pm


Originally Posted by chollie (Post 16103524)
NO! A disabled family member had a bad experience at SAT. I posted about it. SATTSO asked for further details - checkpoint, flights, times, etc - purportedly to look into what had happened and possibly follow up. I don't believe that what happened was a one-off. I think if SATTSO genuinely wanted to monitor or improve the checkpoint treatment of disabled pax, it would be easy enough for him to review tapes and see how they are actually treated. I could see no positive reason to give details and every possible risk in doing so.

Okay, thanks for clarifying. I obviously misread. Good to know, because if what I'd thought was true, was in fact true - that would be highly disturbing!

PhlyingRPh Mar 25, 2011 9:46 pm


Originally Posted by LeeAnne (Post 16101039)
And are you suggesting that SATTSO might try to find out who I am? And take retaliatory actions against me? Because of my posts in FT? Wow. That would be stalking. If he is doing these things, he is one sick individual indeed.

I can't speak to SATTSO's potential actions - My mileage varies from yours in that I too have exchanged PM's with him but consider him harmless.

However, I will say that there are a couple fo FTers here who have repeatedly contacted LE, FBI, JTTF and MI about my posts, and I have been ambushed/interviewed by agents from these agencies who have shown up to interviews with stacks of pages of Flyertalk postings in their hands. Rather childish really, but that's the mentality of certain politically motivated individuals.

LuvAirFrance Mar 25, 2011 10:21 pm


Originally Posted by stifle (Post 16099051)
As long as you don't end up over the far side of the sea in ORK, which has a custom sign up saying "liquid items found in hand luggage that are not presented separately in advance will be considered contraband and subject to forfeiture".

Last flight I took, I took NO LGA along. I just went to a store and found a kit with toiletries, used it during my vacation, tossed it in a can at the airport on the way back. Very low cost, no hassles on this silly issue at security.

flyless Mar 26, 2011 8:33 am


Originally Posted by cordelli (Post 16094027)
The rule is fairly simple

1 quart-sized, clear, plastic, zip-top bag

The organizer cube clearly does not fit this description in any way shape or form, and should not be marketed as something that does.

I'm not saying the rule makes any sense, but in this case, I can see why they did not allow it through.

I've been carrying a zippered top clear organizer bag (not zip-top, not a Zip-Loc) and has cloth seams (very narrow) and have never had a problem. I would prefer to not put it in the nasty gray box. Is there a written policy somewhere about not having to pull it out of my carry-on? When I go to TSA's website it still says to pull it out for inspection.

flyless Mar 26, 2011 9:03 am


Originally Posted by PhlyingRPh (Post 16103739)
I can't speak to SATTSO's potential actions - My mileage varies from yours in that I too have exchanged PM's with him but consider him harmless.

However, I will say that there are a couple fo FTers here who have repeatedly contacted LE, FBI, JTTF and MI about my posts, and I have been ambushed/interviewed by agents from these agencies who have shown up to interviews with stacks of pages of Flyertalk postings in their hands. Rather childish really, but that's the mentality of certain politically motivated individuals.

Did they have a warrant to get your personal info from FT or email provider? You should take your story to the press as it is your 1st amendment right to post whatever you like (short of threats) without harrasment from the government.

CaliC Mar 26, 2011 11:42 am


Originally Posted by BubbaLoop (Post 16091935)
ZipLock bags have been proven to prevent explosions. ;)

I have a particular problem with the baggies. Zip top bags of this exact size are simply not available in my part of the world. There are zip top bags, sold by the size of their sides (not volume), none of them are square, and obviously they look different and therefore dangerous to the astute TSO at the frontline.

I´ve tried all sorts of compensation tactics, and been scolded for:

1. Using a 23 x 17 cm baggie (wrong size, not square).
2. Using a torn baggie (old one I got in the US and reused until in tatters).
3. Using a durable non-disposable baggie which holds 960 mLs (I measured!), is transparent and has a real zipper on top. (not zip top baggie = bad).
4. Using a sandwich baggie (no zip top, but exactly 1 L volume, square size, like a US ZipLock).

My problems only decreased after SSSS disappeared and I stopped taking the baggie out.

I know this goes back 8 pages, but unless I'm missing something, there is no requirement that the bag be SQUARE. I use Hefty brand zip top "travel bags" which are rectangular (wider than tall), that makes it easier to put a bunch of small containers into.

Cali

chollie Mar 26, 2011 11:45 am


Originally Posted by CaliC (Post 16105876)
I know this goes back 8 pages, but unless I'm missing something, there is no requirement that the bag be SQUARE. I use Hefty brand zip top "travel bags" which are rectangular (wider than tall), that makes it easier to put a bunch of small containers into.

Cali

There is a 'requirement' that the baggie satisfy the criteria provided by the specific TSO addressing your baggie when you go through the checkpoint.

oboshoe Mar 26, 2011 11:51 am


Originally Posted by LeeAnne (Post 16100612)
Oh, SATTSO is out there. He/she (not sure which) has been vehemently attacking me in PMs daily, including today. :rolleyes: Apparently, he/she violently disagrees with my calling that TSOs do to us "sexual assault".


Sex criminals of all types never believe that what they do is wrong. They don't believe that what they do is sexual assault.

Sex criminals believe that they are helping their victim.

Its true for pedophiles.
Its true for TSO's.

BubbaLoop Mar 26, 2011 11:53 am


Originally Posted by CaliC (Post 16105876)
I know this goes back 8 pages, but unless I'm missing something, there is no requirement that the bag be SQUARE. I use Hefty brand zip top "travel bags" which are rectangular (wider than tall), that makes it easier to put a bunch of small containers into.

Cali

No there isn't. But tell that to the TSO at hand when you are there having your luggage inspected, holding a boarding pass with SSSS stamped on it (as I always got back in the day SSSS was around) and a foreign passport as ID.

We the people who do not live in the US seem to be on the suspicious by nature list for the TSA. And that is me, a European looking, petite woman. Can you imagine if I were a large brown man?

LeeAnne Mar 26, 2011 12:03 pm


Originally Posted by oboshoe (Post 16105912)
Sex criminals of all types never believe that what they do is wrong. They don't believe that what they do is sexual assault.

Sex criminals believe that they are helping their victim.

Its true for pedophiles.
Its true for TSO's.

Y'know, you are on to something here, which I hadn't considered before.

Pedophiles actually believe what they are doing is not only acceptable, but is good for the children they victimize. They are angry that our society and laws prevent them from doing something that they truly believe is a positive factor for children. They firmly believe that the only harm caused by sex between adults and children is the negative responses of society - that if they were allowed to pursue such relationships without disdain, they would be helping the children they victimize. In fact, if you do any research into NAMBLA (National Man Boy Love Association), you will see that they blatantly, openly claim that such relationships are healthy and consensual, and are in fact "empowering" to children. They are actively fighting to end the laws that criminalize them.

This is a form of pathology that has long been recognized by the American Psychological Association. It is an excellent example of how abusers can convince themselves that the abuse they are perpetrating on their victims is, in fact, good for them.

What a perfect comparison to the TSOs in here, who repeatedly claim that what they are doing is "necessary", is not harmful, and is not abusive.

Yeah. Sounds familiar.:rolleyes:

LuvAirFrance Mar 26, 2011 9:59 pm

Maybe "the rule" is whatever they think it is.


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