FWIW - I've cut way (way) back on my flying, but I don't take my Kippie out, either. Simple fact: for the past four or five years, my carryon has been excavated and disassembled no matter what I do. The clerks can run it through if they have some issue with it (after they open my bag).

Definitely have gone to putting everything on my person into the carryon and locking with a non-TSA lock (buy 'em here), so nobody can make off with my belongings during the frisk. More stuff out of the bag, including the Kippie, just means more of my stuff subject to mishandling and additional hassle.

I'm only quoting you because you related it. I in no way disagree with you, nor direct the following in any way at you, a poster whose opinions with which I have agreed many times more than not.

When I hear that phrase "those are the rules" I seriously want to scream. Scream at the offensive ignorance of those who utter it: TSA employees, TSA management, TSA spokesholes, the AFS crowd. Stupid rules are stupid. Period. Offensive rules are offensive. Period.

The comparison is often made between Nazis, Soviets, etc. and DHS/TSA. Some I endorse, some not. No matter in this case.

Consider for a moment that "The Rules" used to be that any man or woman born on a certain continent, and their progeny, were the owned property of any man born on another. The owning male could do with these people, their children, their families, whatever he wanted be it sexual gratification, sell them for profit, use their bodies for financial gain. If the property acted out against "The Rules" in any way, it was legal to beat, rape, and even maim them.

Consider also that "The Rules" used to be that women could not vote.

"The Rules" used to be that certain citizens were barred from voting because they were unfortunately illiterate, because of certain other citizens' malfeasance.

There are a number of these "Rules", that, at the time, many people would just shrug their shoulders and utter, "Well, those are the rules."

More intelligent, more compassionate, and better people looked at these "rules" and saw them for what they were. What is going on today is no different.

These "rules" are stupid. They are immoral. They are abusive. They are offensive. Nevermind that they are completely ineffective at providing any type of safety or security on an airplane.

"The Rules" are stupid, and "The Rules" must go. Now.

Rules are never an end. They are a means, and they can't be justified by reference to some vague threat.

Signs, signs everywhere a sign
Blocking up the scenery breakin' my mind
Do this, Don't do that,
Can't you read the sign?

(From my muddled memory growing up in the late 60's and earl 70's. Somethings never change. Just the actors playing the parts.)

Buh, buh, they can't clutter up the checkpoint with signs. Remember High Tool Kair's testimony to the House Oversight Committee?

Seems they have plenty of room for signs telling us what we must do and how we must respect their rights. No room for signs for our benefit I guess. *sigh*

That would be the same person who said, in October, in regard to changes coming in November 2010:
Is there anyone here who "didn't notice" the changes in November? Anyone??? :confused::confused:

A number of people on this forum who claim to be TSA screeners have made a number of claims over the years: the gallon bag, NoS will never be primary screening, liquid restrictions will be gone in a year, screeners have latitude to allow larger liquids, the glass holding pens are disappearing. But it's never obvious whether they've received accurate information, or whether TSA will actually implement these things uniformly. In short, while such information may - in some cases - be offered with the best intentions, there's no way of telling whether it's genuine or not.

Sounds just like the clerks that make up the rules about no photography at the checkpoint, despite printed material from the TSA Blog/Website... :td: :rolleyes:

I think the only change that I noticed was the removal of the HHMD. I never believed the claims from SATTSO about a gall:rolleyes:n sized bag being allowed. I'm sure he would have gotten a nice laugh, had one of us tried to go through with a gallon sized bag.

The LAS TSOs made me take my shaving kit bag out of my carry-on earlier this month. I didn't have the travel sized toiletries in any sort of plastic bag though. The reason being is that when I go through IAH and PHL they dont even make me take the shaving kit out of my bag.

I swear they do this crap because they're bored.

Bag / no bag
Quart sized / gallon sized
Shoes on / shoes off
Shoes in bin / shoes out of bin

Make up your damn minds, clowns!

That's where the problem lies. ;)

As long as you don't end up over the far side of the sea in ORK, which has a custom sign up saying "liquid items found in hand luggage that are not presented separately in advance will be considered contraband and subject to forfeiture".

Ah, I've heard of that. I think I even downloaded my own copy and saved it somewhere. I hadn't thought of actually reading through it though, since I figured it would probably just upset me.

You will note that the person mentioned above has not posted in close to 4 months, shortly after his comments concerning gallon bags being allowed, holding cages going away and joking comments about a passenger threatening to shoot anyone who delayed him traveling through an airport.

Perhaps he is being "retrained."

Just because someone doesn't post doesn't mean he's not here ...

I used a zip lock sandwich bag once since I had just three items. I was yelled at because it was not a quart. I had to get a quart size (back when they had them at the security check point) and try again.

Does anyone ever have hassle about not having a 'clear' plastic baggie? All of mine say 'Allzweckbeutel' on them in large white lettering.

Actually, I would be amused to see someone take that as an insult :D not knowing any better.

The only other baggies I have on hand are 1 litre size with Winnie the Pooh dancing across them - in Asia they are fairly mainstream and popular baggies.