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The bag in question is not a clear plastic bag. It's not clear, and it's not all plastic. The sides are neither clear or plastic, you can't easily see if something is stuck to the side or not unless you remove everything and search the bag.
http://www.tombihn.com/Merchant2/images/3dp2.jpg While it's possible somebody could consider this to be clear and plastic, the description clearly says that's not the case: The 3D Clear Organizer Cube is a one-compartment organizer cube with .015" clear urethane (100% PVC Free) front and backpanels. A band of 1000 denier Cordura in your choice of colors Black, Steel, Olive, Sapphire, Plum, or Punch wraps around the top, sides, and bottom. A #5 YKK Uretech zipper with two plastic sliders zips open and closes the 3D Clear Organizer Cube. Coloring added for the not clear not plastic part of the discussion. I feel it is a real stretch to think this would get through. |
Originally Posted by G_Wolf
(Post 16094183)
Can you share a link to where this comes from? I couldn't find it on the TSA website.
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Originally Posted by chollie
(Post 16094277)
Well, except SATTSO, a generally reliable source, posted months ago that a gallon-size baggie is now acceptable, as long as the quantity of contents doesn't exceed what would fit in a quart-sized baggie.
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Originally Posted by cordelli
(Post 16094353)
I feel it is a real stretch to think this would get through.
Here is one thread (I cannot locate the other at the moment) which discusses the apparent change in bag requirements. Unfortunately it is filled with suitably vague comments but I can see how someone reading the responses from a TSO may feel that they have more leeway now than the website states (and it appears that I actually brought up the issue back then of the website being at variance from the apparent 'new' rules) http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trave...vanishing.html |
Originally Posted by cordelli
(Post 16094353)
The bag in question is not a clear plastic bag. It's not clear, and it's not all plastic. The sides are neither clear or plastic, you can't easily see if something is stuck to the side or not unless you remove everything and search the bag.
I can't recall the last time a TSA clerk asked to look at my Kippie bag. I forgot to take it out of the carry-on most of the time. Besides, the blue-shirted goons were far more interested in smearing the front and rear elements on all of my lenses than in anything useful. I look at that bag, and I see a quart-sized container bag that I can actually see through (hence, clear.) It has a zipper top, and is apparently entirely composed of plastic (some of which has been spun into fibers then woven into fabric but is most likely somewhere more than 80% plastic given the normal compositions of Cordura.) (shrug) It doesn't really matter what I think, though, as the dimbulbs in the blue shirts are apparently allowed - nay, encouraged - to make up their own rules and attempt to enforce them. |
Didn't a certain TSA poster mention that they were de-emphasizing the zip-locs?
This strikes me as a case of "they are demanding it because they can".... a raw exercise of power over the people. |
Originally Posted by Caradoc
(Post 16092548)
I'd much rather see the TSA eliminated and airport security returned to 9/10/2001 standards.
Another alternative would be to fire every last employee of the TSA who makes up bogus rules like the one mentioned in the OP. |
Originally Posted by Global_Hi_Flyer
(Post 16095181)
This strikes me as a case of "they are demanding it because they can".... a raw exercise of power over the people.
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Originally Posted by FrequentishFlyer
(Post 16093880)
Count me another one surprised that they're still taking them out of the carry-on -- I haven't removed in months and haven't been called on it at 6 different airports.
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Originally Posted by RobertS975
(Post 16096301)
I fly a ton, and this is the first I have heard that we no longer have to take out the baggie! Is this absolutely true?
Backpack has gotten one secondary in that time. I had put a ten pack of nine volt batteries in it. They found them, swabbed them and sent me on my way. Kippie stayed in its place. |
Originally Posted by W-N
(Post 16090954)
Flying LAS-RNO today on WN. I use a Tom Bihn 3D Clear 1-Quart Organizer Cube for my liquids, http://www.tombihn.com/page/001/PROD/ACC/TB0917, which is great and doesn't frequently wear out like Zip-Loc bags. This is similar to the bag that WN sent out to customers a few years ago, only Tom Bihn makes a much better product and it is made in the US. At the check-point, a TSA supervisor tells me that liquids can only be in a 1-Quart Zip-Loc or Zip-Loc-type bag and nothing else, due to a heightened level of security at LAS. When I asked for more details, including how there was an increased risk in using a Tom Bihn CLEAR cube for liquids versus a Zip-Loc, he could only reply with "This is a new rule from the Federal Security Director at LAS." The logic escapes me as to how the two bags differ from a security/safety standpoint. Has anyone else experienced this at a check-point?
Originally Posted by chollie
(Post 16091012)
Interesting. I came through LAS on Tuesday. A couple ahead of me had to 'surrender' their LGAs because both of them had their items in regular ziploc bags - but the gallon size, not the quart size. The TSO explained that the problem wasn't the size or quantity of the LGAs, it was the size of the baggie. :rolleyes:
The only LGAs I happened to have on me were eye drops and a chapstick. I often have them in a snack-sized baggie, but fortunately this time I had them in a quart-size baggie (ran out of the small size) or I might have had to surrender my LGAs too. I wish the local news would cover things like this. Make an attempt to contact the LAS FSD. Explain on the evening news that there have been reports from the field of 'heightened' attention to baggie size and style at the LAS airport. Provide a few anecdotal examples, then ask the FSD for a comment (none will be given, of course). Close with a comment wondering about what dastardly sort of potential threat has just been narrowly averted by the LAS FSD's timely directive.
Originally Posted by barbell
(Post 16091060)
I once was given the :rolleyes:pp:rolleyes:rtunity to v:rolleyes:luntarily surrender my eyedrops because, as the only liquid I had on me, they weren't in a quart-sized zip-top bag and they couldn't tell if I was under the limit or not.
Originally Posted by exbayern
(Post 16094039)
This lack of ability to use common sense is an issue, but I have mixed feelings about this. In the US, the security screener position is generally viewed as an entry level, unskilled position.
In other countries (the UK, Germany, Canada, and the Channel Islands most recently) I see screeners locate and remove items larger than 100ml and/or not in a plastic bag. Generally they investigate the item, swab it, speak (politely) to the passenger, and in almost every case I have seen they allow the item to pass. (The exception I saw recently was at TXL with an older couple having ALL their LGAs full size in their luggage, but the screener kindly explained, arranged for LH to retrieve their checked bag, and found the wife a seat to wait for her husband while he checked those items) However, the difference I sense is between professionals and generally unskilled labour which seems to lack the ability to follow even basic directives. I don't think that I would want TSOs to use their own judgement on those types of things as right now many of them fail at following the basics. Of course, CATSA made Garda retrain then fire someone over it. That's the biggest difference between the TSA and CATSA.
Originally Posted by Caradoc
(Post 16094098)
I just looked at the link from the OP.
It is a quart-sized clear plastic zip-top bag, with the possible exception of the reinforced edges. But it does seem to fit the description rather closely...
Originally Posted by johnston21
(Post 16094254)
Recently (in Canada where I live), I can no longer find the "Zip-Loc" 1 quart size (or equiv.) with the slider. I still see slyder-style for med & lg thou.
Originally Posted by cordelli
(Post 16094392)
I was quoting what they have on their website. Personally I've used a pint size bag without any problems, not sure what the size of the bag has to do with the discussion of a piece of luggage marketed as something it's not, but I'll play along.
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Tom Bihn replied to my inquiry today.
Hi W-N, We did some research and as far as we can find, the regulations have not changed. Maybe it was that particular TSA agent? -- Sincerely, Eliam Puente http://www.tombihn.com 1-800-729-9607 (US&Canada) 360-452-0115 (other countries) Siquid mantica non capit, domi relinquendum est. |
Originally Posted by Tanic
(Post 16091634)
Several years ago the FAA instituted an order prohibiting air traffic controllers from wearing Dickies brand clothing in the workplace. The Dickies company was notified of this stupid governmental policy and apparently contacted the appropriate officials. The FFA order was rescinded within days
Originally Posted by ND Sol
(Post 16092792)
Except in very limited circumstances, the FSD may not unilaterally change the TSA SOP to make it more restrictive. For example:
Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
(Post 16093082)
We need a list of FSD phone numbers so when some TSA employee pulls this local rule stuff we can say "Ok, give me a moment so I can call your FSD and we will see about this local rule."
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Originally Posted by W-N
(Post 16097144)
Maybe it was that particular TSA agent?
-- Sincerely, Eliam Puente http://www.tombihn.com 1-800-729-9607 (US&Canada) 360-452-0115 (other countries) Siquid mantica non capit, domi relinquendum est. Thanks, Eliam, for that enlightening thought. :p |
I wonder if this sort of experience is what made Soviet citizens finally totally sick of their system. Passive aggressive apparatchiks who could only say "those are the rules" when causing someone extreme discomfort. Human nature succeeded in making a system so enraging it brought down the rulers. But I don't think our TSO's are capable of the perspective that would tell them how they are recapitulating the worst of human history. I mean, you could make them a bottom-rank commissar in North Korea and they'd find it totally natural.
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