NoS - Will old surgery scars trigger "pat down"?
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Will be going through BUF and TPA security this summer. Regarding NoS, you think 20 year old scars (surgery) will trigger a lovely "pat down"? There's 4 of them and they're about 2 inches across.
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http://aprn.org/2011/03/16/represent...s-in-congress/
There are other threads on this topic, but I'm posting this link and text as a direct response to the question asked.
Alaska State Representative Sharon Cissna was the star witness at a U.S. House hearing today (Wednesday) about TSA oversight. The Transportation Security Administration was under scrutiny in Washington for its use of full body scans and hands-on examinations. Cissna told members of a House Oversight subcommittee about her experience getting what she describes as an invasive pat-down at the Seattle-Tacoma Airport last month.
Cissna is a breast cancer survivor and has scars from a mastectomy that showed up in a full body scan. When a T-S-A worker insisted on touching her, Cissna refused. She was not allowed to fly, so she left the airport and made the long trip to Alaska by road and ferry instead.
Cissna told the committee that the innocent phrase pat down didnt begin to describe what she went through the first time she had to get a body search after her scars registered on a scanner.
Cissna is a breast cancer survivor and has scars from a mastectomy that showed up in a full body scan. When a T-S-A worker insisted on touching her, Cissna refused. She was not allowed to fly, so she left the airport and made the long trip to Alaska by road and ferry instead.
Cissna told the committee that the innocent phrase pat down didnt begin to describe what she went through the first time she had to get a body search after her scars registered on a scanner.
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They don't have to justify their actions to you - and the resulting attitude from them makes them dangerous to themselves and anyone near them.
The TSA is currently comprised of three types of employees:
1) Thieves, molesters, and other actual criminals.
2) People who enjoy the illusion of authority they are granted by their spiffy blue shirt, and enjoy lording it over the passengers.
3) People who simply can't get a job anywhere else for lack of ambition or qualifications.
There are those who claim they're trying to change the TSA from the inside, but they've shown absolutely no results whatsoever while the TSA continues its steep decline into jackbootery.
End result: if you want to guarantee that you are not molested by the TSA, do not go where they are. This includes airports, train stations, bus stations, and other public locations.
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No they will not. They won't be visible, just like tattoos aren't.
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TSA's use of AIT Strip Search machines may show an anomaly although TSA is only authorized to search for WEI.
TSA's AIT Strip Search Machines violate screening guidelines for exactly the reason you question, they do not detect WEI but do detect body anomalies that are no threat and no business of TSA.
TSA's AIT Strip Search Machines violate screening guidelines for exactly the reason you question, they do not detect WEI but do detect body anomalies that are no threat and no business of TSA.
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There have been many stories of pax who have been subject to pat downs for this and other equally rediculous reasons (one testicle bigger than the other due to an old injury, for example). I would just go for the pat down and sneer at the groper the entire time saying something like "I'm sure that feeling me up is making air travel soooo much safer!! (/sarcasm emoticon)"
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I have been through a MMW several times and a backscatter once. I have 3 year old huge abdominal scar. It has never triggered a pat down. (I usually opt out of the backscatter for radiation reasons).
YMMV
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There's no point in sneering at someone who is incapable of feeling either shame or empathy.
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While I strongly feel that breast cancer survivors' privacy and dignity are sacrosanct, I cautiously advise readers that in the case of most breast cancer survivors, "scars" are an emotionally necessary euphemism for consequences of life saving surgery that do indeed constitute physical irregularities. It is indecently cruel to dwell on this.
A scar that simply effects the skin usually will not register as an irregularity.
There's no need to believe that anyone's lying here.
A scar that simply effects the skin usually will not register as an irregularity.
There's no need to believe that anyone's lying here.
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"Sandra Fish, a correspondent with Politics Daily who's also had a mastectomy and had a similar TSA experience at Denver International Airport, offers insight as to why the scanner may have alerted to Cissna's mastectomy. She notes that her mastectomy and reconstruction is a composition of part of her lat dorsi (mid-back muscle) and a skin graft from her back, supplemented by a sac of silicone. In response to Fish's experience in Denver, Carrie Harmon, a TSA spokeswoman, explained that the so-called "Millimeter Wave" isn't intended to detect "fake breasts". She explained that the scanner looks for metallic and non-metallic items under clothing, and suggested it could have been something else inside Fish's body.
Thus it appears that the scanner is alerting to the silicone gel, and a plastic surgeon, Dr. Winfield Hartley, opines that this will continue until the image readers and the screeners get used to seeing implant imagery."
http://alaskapride.blogspot.com/2011...a-refuses.html
Thus it appears that the scanner is alerting to the silicone gel, and a plastic surgeon, Dr. Winfield Hartley, opines that this will continue until the image readers and the screeners get used to seeing implant imagery."
http://alaskapride.blogspot.com/2011...a-refuses.html
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"Sandra Fish, a correspondent with Politics Daily who's also had a mastectomy and had a similar TSA experience at Denver International Airport, offers insight as to why the scanner may have alerted to Cissna's mastectomy. She notes that her mastectomy and reconstruction is a composition of part of her lat dorsi (mid-back muscle) and a skin graft from her back, supplemented by a sac of silicone. In response to Fish's experience in Denver, Carrie Harmon, a TSA spokeswoman, explained that the so-called "Millimeter Wave" isn't intended to detect "fake breasts". She explained that the scanner looks for metallic and non-metallic items under clothing, and suggested it could have been something else inside Fish's body.
Thus it appears that the scanner is alerting to the silicone gel, and a plastic surgeon, Dr. Winfield Hartley, opines that this will continue until the image readers and the screeners get used to seeing implant imagery."
http://alaskapride.blogspot.com/2011...a-refuses.html
Thus it appears that the scanner is alerting to the silicone gel, and a plastic surgeon, Dr. Winfield Hartley, opines that this will continue until the image readers and the screeners get used to seeing implant imagery."
http://alaskapride.blogspot.com/2011...a-refuses.html

Shin bones anyone??
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