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Old May 22, 2011 | 9:53 pm
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Originally Posted by CyBeR
Are there really airports in the US where, to exit the airport, you have to go from plane to sterile to non-sterile (baggage) to sterile and once again to non-sterile (exit)? That may well be one of the more retarded things I've heard recently. Who came up with that idea? Is there a list so I can continue to avoid them (which, so far I appear to have done unknowingly)?
Yes, ATL is one of them. The airports pre-date the current security requirements. ATL is currently being remodeled and I think this may change sometime next year.

It is a real nuisance, especially when the lines are long and you are tired and just want to get home. Shoes, belts, jackets off, laptop and LGA baggie out, just to get to the parking lot.
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Old May 22, 2011 | 10:22 pm
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Originally Posted by SATTSO
So there is more than just the "only"? If customs decides to search your bag, and you refuse, what happens?
They'll probably take your bag from you and search it. You are confusing grounds for refusing admission to the country with customs requirements. If you are denied admission to the country, you can be turned around or deported.
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Old May 23, 2011 | 12:35 am
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They'll probably take your bag from you and search it. You are confusing grounds for refusing admission to the country with customs requirements. If you are denied admission to the country, you can be turned around or deported.
Stupid question on my part (and no, I have no motive, I'm not trying to set you up, or anything like that): are admission and customs requirement sort of the same thing? In other words, if I travel overseas as a US citizen, when I travel back in to the US, my bags are subject to search without consent, sort of like a TSA checkpoint. My last question. Not a peep more from me on this topic
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Old May 23, 2011 | 2:08 am
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Originally Posted by SATTSO
Are you a lawyer, and is that you professional opinion concerning a US citizen entering the US?

Yes, I am very aware of the topic of this thread. Just curious abou what I asked. Sorry if that bothers you.
I'm happily not a lawyer. PTravel is, though, so I suggest you listen to him
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Old May 23, 2011 | 5:40 am
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I'm happily not a lawyer. PTravel is, though, so I suggest you listen to him
I may be confused, but I think someone said you were a lawyer - or maybe not, they didn't specifically say who was the lawyer. I know PT is, which is why I asked him
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Old May 23, 2011 | 7:11 am
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I may be confused, but I think someone said you were a lawyer - or maybe not, they didn't specifically say who was the lawyer. I know PT is, which is why I asked him
Nope. I do try to make sure I post accurately nonetheless.
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Old May 23, 2011 | 7:29 am
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Originally Posted by SATTSO
Stupid question on my part (and no, I have no motive, I'm not trying to set you up, or anything like that): are admission and customs requirement sort of the same thing? In other words, if I travel overseas as a US citizen, when I travel back in to the US, my bags are subject to search without consent, sort of like a TSA checkpoint. My last question. Not a peep more from me on this topic
Your bags (and your person) are subject to search without consent. It is not like a TSA checkpoint because the purpose of the search is limited to ensuring that duty is paid is imported items that require it, and that no contraband is imported. There are specific laws that require the payment of duty and that prohibit contraband and the limited administrative search is authorized as an exception to the 4th Amendment to enforce them. That is very different from the TSA checkpoint search, because there are no laws that require a person not possess WEI within the U.S. In the event of a poorly designed TSA checkpoint (or airport), the correct way to handle it is as was related in the link in an earlier post, i.e. the passenger who refuses the TSA search can be escorted to the non-sterile area of the airport. The alternative, i.e. compelling a security search, is both violative of the law and offensive to the Constitution.
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Old May 23, 2011 | 7:40 am
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Originally Posted by CyBeR

Are there really airports in the US where, to exit the airport, you have to go from plane to sterile to non-sterile (baggage) to sterile and once again to non-sterile (exit)? That may well be one of the more retarded things I've heard recently. Who came up with that idea? Is there a list so I can continue to avoid them (which, so far I appear to have done unknowingly)?



ATL, pending completion of a new international arrivals terminal. Barring recent changes, I think MEM and CVG. The only exit from customs is through a departure concourse; the gates that can accommodate wide-bodies are the more distant ones.
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Old Dec 11, 2011 | 12:03 pm
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Originally Posted by rove312
ATL, pending completion of a new international arrivals terminal. Barring recent changes, I think MEM and CVG. The only exit from customs is through a departure concourse; the gates that can accommodate wide-bodies are the more distant ones.
Wait, after "customs" you have your checked bags with you, of course. How can those be brought into the departure concourse? Something doesn't add up here. Knives, guns, liquids, etc. can all be in your checked bag, how does that get to the taxi?

From truly "international" flights, that is (no border pre-clearance).
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Old Dec 11, 2011 | 12:16 pm
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What if Atlanta is your final destination, do they still do it. I flew into IAH from CUN and
we had to be rescreened but that is if we were going back into the secured area of the airport for a flight.
I was in Shannon Ireland last month, going from SNN-EWR, first you go through Irish security, do not have to take off shoes and I thought would be a TSA issue since when we land at EWR were are 100 per cent cleared, everythin is done at SNN and we land at a regular gate and I was going on to another flight. However I would not call them TSA but US people at SNN ,make you go through another metal detector and you have to take off your shoes.
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Old Dec 11, 2011 | 12:36 pm
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Originally Posted by GaryD
Wait, after "customs" you have your checked bags with you, of course. How can those be brought into the departure concourse? Something doesn't add up here. Knives, guns, liquids, etc. can all be in your checked bag, how does that get to the taxi?

From truly "international" flights, that is (no border pre-clearance).
You give your luggage back to the air carrier who transports it to domestic baggage claim, so you can pick it up again.

You and your carry-on must go thru TSA and go through the passenger concourse to exit.

Thankfully this will be fixed at ATL soon.
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Old Dec 11, 2011 | 1:23 pm
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Originally Posted by SDF_Traveler
You and your carry-on must go thru TSA and go through the passenger concourse to exit.
That's not strictly through. If you're dedicated enough, you can get yourself escorted out.
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Old Dec 11, 2011 | 2:24 pm
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Originally Posted by stifle
That's not strictly through. If you're dedicated enough, you can get yourself escorted out.
Very true. My friend and I requested and received an escort out of PIT from our CDG-PIT flight in October. It didn't even take much dedication (compared to others' experiences); it took about 35 minutes. A bad airport design doesn't mean you "must" to go through an unnecessary and unconstitutional screening. As I repeatedly told any TSA employee who asked in October, if I'm not flying again and have no ticket and do not wish to enter a sterile area, then why would I undergo a screening?
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Old Dec 11, 2011 | 5:22 pm
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Very true. My friend and I requested and received an escort out of PIT from our CDG-PIT flight in October. It didn't even take much dedication (compared to others' experiences); it took about 35 minutes. A bad airport design doesn't mean you "must" to go through an unnecessary and unconstitutional screening. As I repeatedly told any TSA employee who asked in October, if I'm not flying again and have no ticket and do not wish to enter a sterile area, then why would I undergo a screening?
I've done this too. I'm not sure why more people don't try it. (Perhaps they simply don't know you can) I got the impression that the TSA knew they weren't on solid ground by blocking egress to compel screening that is "voluntary". This only goes on at 5 or so US airports that I know of, however.
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