I travel in NYC subway cars with 100+ people on board and nothing to stop anyone from taking a duffel bag full of PETN on board. Why should I be afraid to fly on an airplane with no security?

I would be ok with reasonable security. I would also be ok with BYOS (bring-your-own security, brought to you by Sig Sauer). I'm not ok with "whatever makes me safer" security, and I'm not ok with security theater.

IOW, almost anything would be an improvement over the current system. :)

--Jon

Wow, looks great and their prices really aren't so bad (as low as $150 each way?). It's too bad I don't live in the northwest.

--Jon

I don't object to reasonable procedures and I don't exactly live life on the edge. But, if forced to choose, I would rather go without security than have my nude image taken or have someone put their hands between my legs until they meet resistance. I'm sort of at the point where I think we are all flying without anything other than false security, anyway.

Actually what are the criteria for a flight to be General Aviation? Maximum number of passengers on the plane? Would it be possible to organize a security free flight club (members only) under the GA regime?

If I had only a choice between what we have now and nothing at all, I would opt for nothing at all.

It's a false dichotomy, of course, but an interesting-to-follow thread.

~~ Irish

I'd fly on any plane where I didn't get treated like a convicted criminal for purchasing a plane ticket.

Now with saying that. I am not totally against security, but there needs to be some real survellance done that shows that a particular passenger is up to something, for that passenger to get the enhanced screenings. Because currently the passenger having bought a plane ticket is the only reason TSA/DHS is using for a passenger to submit to the enhanced prison type security screenings currently going on at the airport.

Current TSA/DHS Policy is to treat every single passenger as a terrorist for buying a plane ticket. I don't like that mentality of you the passenger are considered gulity until you prove to us you aren't.

I think the real reason for this is that they don't want to have to do any real survellance work to identify a real terrorist. They just treat every passenger like a terrorist and hope that in the procees they will get lucky and catch the terrorist. Then they, TSA/DHS, can say..."See what we were doing at the airport worked."

Not aboard an airline flight, I won't.

At that shootout in Arizona today someone with a gun apparently returned fire. Five or six dead, 12 wounded. So I'm sure they were pleased.

And yet there are no reliable reports that anyone but the nutball assassin actually shot anyone.

Liberty Air
 

What security conscious people need to realize is that REAL security is run immediately when buying a ticket or reserving a seat or listing as NR before a flight and rerun hours before departure which is why the psngr manifest must be ready before departure to ok.
You are in various data banks depending on which arm of Government is looking at you with EVERYTHING pertinent listed about you, EVERYTHING!
Profiling is done behind the scenes with computers and not advertised.
People without security clearances NEVER get to see these data banks about themselves.;)
Personally I would fly Liberty Air with joy as I would rather DIE on my feet than LIVE on my knees!

What makes my gun more dangerous on a plane than on a bus or at a sporting event? And, yes, I will not have my gun in my possession on a commercial flight. I think it is silly, but it is the law.

As for Arizona, your use of pronouns with indefinite references makes your post hard to understand, so I am not sure what you are talking about. When all of the info comes out, we will see if a CCP holder was involved. Until then, I will reserve judgment.

Yes I would, definitely. If it meant I could be treated with dignity and respect and no passenger's privacy and rights were violated without REAL probable cause.

InkUnderNails: that if your gun goes off the bullet might make a hole in the outer skin of the airplane and depressurize the whole cabin?

wg

If a person carrying a gun on a plane was disturbed or wanted to do harm, the other passengers are in more danger than if on a bus or at a sporting event, where they could both run away to safety and/or call 9-1-1. If a crazed gunman is on a plane at 30,000 feet your options for stopping him or her are more limited.

Only if I fire the weapon. Why would I do that?

No, it won't. It MIGHT, maybe, sever a control line (there are backups), but it wouldn't depressurize the plane.

Not if people who can legally carry on the ground can also legally carry in the air. You have a better chance of having one of the good guys packing than having one of the bad guys packing.