What exactly is the TSA procedure?
Dec 5, 2010 | 10:05 pm
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I agree, you should definitely prepare your kids as to what may happen. The second statement is completely wrong however. Children under 12 do not have to go through the scanner. Make sure you're daughter is aware of this, as she may get selected and have to tell the TSO that she is under 12*.
*there are reports of TSOs requiring an ID for this claim. Make sure that she knows that she is exempt with or without an ID
*there are reports of TSOs requiring an ID for this claim. Make sure that she knows that she is exempt with or without an ID
Nobody has to go through the scanner. Anyone -- any age -- can opt out. The only concession to those under 12 is a reduced enhanced grope, of which Pistole & Co. have refused to provide any specifics. If people don't want their daughters (or sons) stripsearched or groped, don't let them fly. There is no other alternative that you can count on.
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Dec 7, 2010 | 7:22 pm
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Pervy? I guess. No worse than the average airport checkpoint though.
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Dec 8, 2010 | 3:56 am
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Does everyone have to go through the xray or receive a pat-down, or is that restricted to people who fail the metal detector or are 'randomly' selected?
My children (ages 16, 10) will be flying in a few days and I opt-out of both screening methods (both airports have BKSX). The only way I would let them fly is if they go through the metal detector. Should we even bother?
My children (ages 16, 10) will be flying in a few days and I opt-out of both screening methods (both airports have BKSX). The only way I would let them fly is if they go through the metal detector. Should we even bother?
Given your story, it sounds that another piece of collateral damage from all this is custody arrangements.
Dec 8, 2010 | 7:37 am
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And you can't leave once you begin. Hmmmm. Sounds like showing up in the first place is a mistake.
Dec 8, 2010 | 8:01 am
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An individual submits to screening to verify his or her identity when he or she produces identification media to TSA or an alternative verification process is requested. This normally occurs at the Travel Document Checker podium in front of the checkpoint. Once TSA has verified the individuals identity and has determined that the identification is not fraudulent, the individual is free to proceed to the checkpoint or to exit the queue. At the checkpoint, an individual submits to screening of his or her person when he or she enters the first walk-through screening technology or requests special screening. An individual submits to screening of his or her accessible property when he or she places it on the conveyor belt leading to the x-ray machine. Individuals who have completed the process of screening of their persons or accessible property are free to leave the checkpoint and the sterile area.
Dec 8, 2010 | 1:06 pm
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Dec 9, 2010 | 11:56 am
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Infrequent flyer questions
I haven't flown in some time, certainly not since this recent escalation of hostilities towards the flying public by the TSA. So I have a few questions.
The TSA screeners order you not touch your property while they are screening it. It's your property, you brought it in with you so what happens if you touch it?
If youre told to stand somewhere where you cannot see your property, why can't you move to where you can?
What if you keep your cash or credit cards in your pocket? The metal detector won't alarm and your cash is safe.
If you refuse the scanners and the screener feels the cash during the pat down, what happens to it then? They might make a big fuss over it, which would make you less likely to be robbed by one of them.
In reading the posts here, it seems that the screeners like to push the limits of their authority. If you comply, they win and their authority expands. If you challenge them and they don't have the authority in the first place, aren't they restrained?
The TSA seems to be the only government agency that deals with the public that does not have to disclose what their policies and procedures are. From reading the FT posts here, the screeners seem to believe that they can create arbitrary absolutes regarding anything with no accountability.
It seems as if they are permitted anything that they can get away with.
The TSA screeners order you not touch your property while they are screening it. It's your property, you brought it in with you so what happens if you touch it?
If youre told to stand somewhere where you cannot see your property, why can't you move to where you can?
What if you keep your cash or credit cards in your pocket? The metal detector won't alarm and your cash is safe.
If you refuse the scanners and the screener feels the cash during the pat down, what happens to it then? They might make a big fuss over it, which would make you less likely to be robbed by one of them.
In reading the posts here, it seems that the screeners like to push the limits of their authority. If you comply, they win and their authority expands. If you challenge them and they don't have the authority in the first place, aren't they restrained?
The TSA seems to be the only government agency that deals with the public that does not have to disclose what their policies and procedures are. From reading the FT posts here, the screeners seem to believe that they can create arbitrary absolutes regarding anything with no accountability.
It seems as if they are permitted anything that they can get away with.
Dec 9, 2010 | 9:58 pm
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I haven't flown in some time, certainly not since this recent escalation of hostilities towards the flying public by the TSA. So I have a few questions.
The TSA screeners order you not touch your property while they are screening it. It's your property, you brought it in with you so what happens if you touch it?
If youre told to stand somewhere where you cannot see your property, why can't you move to where you can?
What if you keep your cash or credit cards in your pocket? The metal detector won't alarm and your cash is safe.
If you refuse the scanners and the screener feels the cash during the pat down, what happens to it then? They might make a big fuss over it, which would make you less likely to be robbed by one of them.
In reading the posts here, it seems that the screeners like to push the limits of their authority. If you comply, they win and their authority expands. If you challenge them and they don't have the authority in the first place, aren't they restrained?
The TSA seems to be the only government agency that deals with the public that does not have to disclose what their policies and procedures are. From reading the FT posts here, the screeners seem to believe that they can create arbitrary absolutes regarding anything with no accountability.
It seems as if they are permitted anything that they can get away with.
The TSA screeners order you not touch your property while they are screening it. It's your property, you brought it in with you so what happens if you touch it?
If youre told to stand somewhere where you cannot see your property, why can't you move to where you can?
What if you keep your cash or credit cards in your pocket? The metal detector won't alarm and your cash is safe.
If you refuse the scanners and the screener feels the cash during the pat down, what happens to it then? They might make a big fuss over it, which would make you less likely to be robbed by one of them.
In reading the posts here, it seems that the screeners like to push the limits of their authority. If you comply, they win and their authority expands. If you challenge them and they don't have the authority in the first place, aren't they restrained?
The TSA seems to be the only government agency that deals with the public that does not have to disclose what their policies and procedures are. From reading the FT posts here, the screeners seem to believe that they can create arbitrary absolutes regarding anything with no accountability.
It seems as if they are permitted anything that they can get away with.