Rights as flyer
#1
Original Poster
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 1
Rights as flyer
Hi, after the whole mess that these body scanners, pat downs, and TSA officer violations, I would like to know if there is a source that may be able to tell me ALL of my rights as a flyer. As, well, I would like to know how my age factors into this as well. I am 16.
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Oliver.
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Oliver.
#2



Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Hi, after the whole mess that these body scanners, pat downs, and TSA officer violations, I would like to know if there is a source that may be able to tell me ALL of my rights as a flyer. As, well, I would like to know how my age factors into this as well. I am 16.
I appreciate this community's hard work.
Oliver.
I appreciate this community's hard work.
Oliver.
#3


Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Riverside County, CA
Posts: 277
Hi, after the whole mess that these body scanners, pat downs, and TSA officer violations, I would like to know if there is a source that may be able to tell me ALL of my rights as a flyer. As, well, I would like to know how my age factors into this as well. I am 16.
I appreciate this community's hard work.
Oliver.
I appreciate this community's hard work.
Oliver.
#4
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: ORD
Programs: CO PLT, HH DIA
Posts: 1,461
No, the bill of rights protects you from warrantless search and seizure. You have no such rights when you travel. That moronic TSO three years ago in MKE was actually 100% correct. "There is no bill of rights in here." And the current occupant of the white house, mister I'm on your side, does nothing to stop it, even though he could do so wit hthe stroke of a pen.
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#8
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 40
TSA will take actions if medication is not in it's original, labeled container. I.e. if you take a few prescription meds or even aspirin out of a bulky bottle and put it in a ziplock to travel with, TSA has discretion to presume guilt, and treat you like a drug trafficer. (this is why you are offered a chance to buy OTC drugs in tiny sealed OEM containers at the airport at extortionate prices).
#9
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 855
Mr. Rayde Gives His Age as 16
Oliver, your age puts you in a slightly different catagory. Basically, you are entitled to greater protection than older people.
Should any authority figure become adverserial with you, you have a right to remain silent until your parents are available to advocate for you. I suggest you avail yourself of this right. All Americans have the right to remain silent, but few have the wisdom to.
If you encounter some difficulty in your travels, you have a greater claim to assistance than an adult would. If you're delayed and have no adequate shelter, security or food, by all means notify the airline. If they don't help, turn to the police.
As for your other rights, well those are "unalienable". Simply put, they exist whether you are permitted the free exercise of them or not. On the other hand, sometimes insisting on your rights is not in your best interests. It would be wise for you and your parents to discuss how you should respond to incursions on your rights.
Should you submit to a patdown? Should you submit to a scan? If so, which type? What should you do if your belongings are stolen, broken or confiscated by the TSA? What if you're delayed by the TSA. An appropriate set of contingency plans should be mapped out by you and your parents ahead of time. If you were my son I would ask you to decline any "private" patdowns or interviews, but that's just me.
It is wise to remember that families are teams. When a young person finds himself in conflict with authorities, s/he should insist that his/her parents be notified, and decline to answer questions until the parent is involved. It actually takes great presence of mind and maturity to resist pressure from authorities to "cooperate", so don't imagine it's "childish". It takes nerves of steel. It is also your very best shot at a conflict resolution that honers your rights, so hang tough. Until your team is assembled, don't take the field.
It would also be wise for you and your parents to discuss ways that you could avoid potential conflict with authority figures. You can travel with as few possessions as possible, and be well informed of the rules. Little things like not carrying the latest item the TSA is "cracking down" on and buying your beverages after you get through the checkpoint can save a lot of hassles. You may choose to send your electronics and valuables by UPS to your destination. Conflict avoidance is a legitimate self-defense strategy. The best "self-defense experts" don't win fights, they win by not fighting.
I hope you have a safe and uneventful trip.
Should any authority figure become adverserial with you, you have a right to remain silent until your parents are available to advocate for you. I suggest you avail yourself of this right. All Americans have the right to remain silent, but few have the wisdom to.

If you encounter some difficulty in your travels, you have a greater claim to assistance than an adult would. If you're delayed and have no adequate shelter, security or food, by all means notify the airline. If they don't help, turn to the police.
As for your other rights, well those are "unalienable". Simply put, they exist whether you are permitted the free exercise of them or not. On the other hand, sometimes insisting on your rights is not in your best interests. It would be wise for you and your parents to discuss how you should respond to incursions on your rights.
Should you submit to a patdown? Should you submit to a scan? If so, which type? What should you do if your belongings are stolen, broken or confiscated by the TSA? What if you're delayed by the TSA. An appropriate set of contingency plans should be mapped out by you and your parents ahead of time. If you were my son I would ask you to decline any "private" patdowns or interviews, but that's just me.
It is wise to remember that families are teams. When a young person finds himself in conflict with authorities, s/he should insist that his/her parents be notified, and decline to answer questions until the parent is involved. It actually takes great presence of mind and maturity to resist pressure from authorities to "cooperate", so don't imagine it's "childish". It takes nerves of steel. It is also your very best shot at a conflict resolution that honers your rights, so hang tough. Until your team is assembled, don't take the field.
It would also be wise for you and your parents to discuss ways that you could avoid potential conflict with authority figures. You can travel with as few possessions as possible, and be well informed of the rules. Little things like not carrying the latest item the TSA is "cracking down" on and buying your beverages after you get through the checkpoint can save a lot of hassles. You may choose to send your electronics and valuables by UPS to your destination. Conflict avoidance is a legitimate self-defense strategy. The best "self-defense experts" don't win fights, they win by not fighting.
I hope you have a safe and uneventful trip.
#10
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Salish Sea
Programs: DL,AC,HH,PC
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The TSO was wrong (no surprise there), all rights apply in airports except as specifically superceded by regulation or deemed inapplicable by a court. In practice, however, the TSA continues to ignore the protections granted by the Bill of Rights. There's a difference between non-existence and non-compliance.
#11
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 569
And until there is a case that makes it to the supreme court? What TSA says is permissible/reasonable *is* the law of the land.
#12

Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Northern California, in the redwoods, on the ocean.
Posts: 437
Oliver, your age puts you in a slightly different catagory. Basically, you are entitled to greater protection than older people.
Should any authority figure become adverserial with you, you have a right to remain silent until your parents are available to advocate for you. I suggest you avail yourself of this right. All Americans have the right to remain silent, but few have the wisdom to.
If you encounter some difficulty in your travels, you have a greater claim to assistance than an adult would. If you're delayed and have no adequate shelter, security or food, by all means notify the airline. If they don't help, turn to the police.
As for your other rights, well those are "unalienable". Simply put, they exist whether you are permitted the free exercise of them or not. On the other hand, sometimes insisting on your rights is not in your best interests. It would be wise for you and your parents to discuss how you should respond to incursions on your rights.
Should you submit to a patdown? Should you submit to a scan? If so, which type? What should you do if your belongings are stolen, broken or confiscated by the TSA? What if you're delayed by the TSA. An appropriate set of contingency plans should be mapped out by you and your parents ahead of time. If you were my son I would ask you to decline any "private" patdowns or interviews, but that's just me.
It is wise to remember that families are teams. When a young person finds himself in conflict with authorities, s/he should insist that his/her parents be notified, and decline to answer questions until the parent is involved. It actually takes great presence of mind and maturity to resist pressure from authorities to "cooperate", so don't imagine it's "childish". It takes nerves of steel. It is also your very best shot at a conflict resolution that honers your rights, so hang tough. Until your team is assembled, don't take the field.
It would also be wise for you and your parents to discuss ways that you could avoid potential conflict with authority figures. You can travel with as few possessions as possible, and be well informed of the rules. Little things like not carrying the latest item the TSA is "cracking down" on and buying your beverages after you get through the checkpoint can save a lot of hassles. You may choose to send your electronics and valuables by UPS to your destination. Conflict avoidance is a legitimate self-defense strategy. The best "self-defense experts" don't win fights, they win by not fighting.
I hope you have a safe and uneventful trip.
Should any authority figure become adverserial with you, you have a right to remain silent until your parents are available to advocate for you. I suggest you avail yourself of this right. All Americans have the right to remain silent, but few have the wisdom to.

If you encounter some difficulty in your travels, you have a greater claim to assistance than an adult would. If you're delayed and have no adequate shelter, security or food, by all means notify the airline. If they don't help, turn to the police.
As for your other rights, well those are "unalienable". Simply put, they exist whether you are permitted the free exercise of them or not. On the other hand, sometimes insisting on your rights is not in your best interests. It would be wise for you and your parents to discuss how you should respond to incursions on your rights.
Should you submit to a patdown? Should you submit to a scan? If so, which type? What should you do if your belongings are stolen, broken or confiscated by the TSA? What if you're delayed by the TSA. An appropriate set of contingency plans should be mapped out by you and your parents ahead of time. If you were my son I would ask you to decline any "private" patdowns or interviews, but that's just me.
It is wise to remember that families are teams. When a young person finds himself in conflict with authorities, s/he should insist that his/her parents be notified, and decline to answer questions until the parent is involved. It actually takes great presence of mind and maturity to resist pressure from authorities to "cooperate", so don't imagine it's "childish". It takes nerves of steel. It is also your very best shot at a conflict resolution that honers your rights, so hang tough. Until your team is assembled, don't take the field.
It would also be wise for you and your parents to discuss ways that you could avoid potential conflict with authority figures. You can travel with as few possessions as possible, and be well informed of the rules. Little things like not carrying the latest item the TSA is "cracking down" on and buying your beverages after you get through the checkpoint can save a lot of hassles. You may choose to send your electronics and valuables by UPS to your destination. Conflict avoidance is a legitimate self-defense strategy. The best "self-defense experts" don't win fights, they win by not fighting.
I hope you have a safe and uneventful trip.
#14
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 1,972
The simple answer is "no, there is no such source". The reason is because the cases that would establish what rights exist are still working their way through the legal system. Until they're ligitated to completion (and they may well end up in the Supreme Court), anything anybody may say is nothing more than a guess.
#15
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Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 3,728
If you ask any employee of the TSA, they'll tell you that your wish to fly constitutes probable cause to execute a warrantless general search of your baggage and your person (including fondling your genitals) in the hope that they'll find something technically illegal and yet not a threat to the flight so they can call an LEO to have you arrested.
The courts have yet to rule on anything of substance under the new scope-and-grope policies, though.


