A bizarre thought to consider
Nov 21, 2010 | 11:11 am
#46
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Heck, even my cat knows it doesn't like to be touch 'under the tail' yet a child is suppose to think this is okay? If an animal who would otherwise like the the TSO 'patting' knows there is something wrong with getting touched in the genitals, so do children....and it isn't because their parents are a neurotic!
Nov 21, 2010 | 11:15 am
#47
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Prosaic - I couldn't agree more with your post.
Nov 21, 2010 | 11:28 am
#48
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I have patted down a lot of children and I can tell you that the feelings that you are expressing are adult emotions. None of them cried. With all due respect, the process means nothing to them unless they are taught otherwise. Young children have no sense of sexuality. A properly done patdown will not leave them feeling any thought of violation.
Perhaps you should start your education here:
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/sex-education/HQ00547
The problem is that children cannot legally consent to the "enhanced pat-down"; it is done based on consent of the parent. Anytime a child goes through this procedure against his or her wishes, it means a stranger gets to touch genitals under the child's duress. To make matters worse, rather than protecting the child, as children come to expect, the parent is there and allowing to happen.
Nov 21, 2010 | 12:28 pm
#49
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Wow. Just wow. Young children have no sense of sexuality? I guess that's why they don't ever touch themselves before the age of 12. Or play doctor. Or get upset when a sibling barges in on them in the bathroom.
Perhaps you should start your education here:
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/sex-education/HQ00547
The problem is that children cannot legally consent to the "enhanced pat-down"; it is done based on consent of the parent. Anytime a child goes through this procedure against his or her wishes, it means a stranger gets to touch genitals under the child's duress. To make matters worse, rather than protecting the child, as children come to expect, the parent is there and allowing to happen.
Perhaps you should start your education here:
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/sex-education/HQ00547
The problem is that children cannot legally consent to the "enhanced pat-down"; it is done based on consent of the parent. Anytime a child goes through this procedure against his or her wishes, it means a stranger gets to touch genitals under the child's duress. To make matters worse, rather than protecting the child, as children come to expect, the parent is there and allowing to happen.
JBC78
Nov 22, 2010 | 4:46 am
#51
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 25
I have tried to write an appropriate response for the past 10 minutes and keep deleting.
I'll just say this: You are touching the penis/scrotum/vulva/labia of human beings. Children *do* have a sense of sexuality - anyone who took a high school psychology, or who has been a parent, or who has been an older sibling to a much-younger sibling knows this. So does any childhood sexual abuse survivor.
You may be *grooming* a generation of children who fly to become easy victims for pedophiles. If we teach children that it's "no big deal" to have their genitals touched by strangers, we're creating a perfect storm for a massive cultural shift that defines being a "good citizen" as being someone who lets anyone in authority transcend physical integrity "because they said so."
So TSA jobs become a massive employment training program for NAMBLA members. It's like something out of an article in The Onion or a skit on SNL. But it's not. It's *federal policy*.
YOU may not think of yourself as a wingman for a pedophile, but you are. Your attitude makes me ill.
I'll just say this: You are touching the penis/scrotum/vulva/labia of human beings. Children *do* have a sense of sexuality - anyone who took a high school psychology, or who has been a parent, or who has been an older sibling to a much-younger sibling knows this. So does any childhood sexual abuse survivor.
You may be *grooming* a generation of children who fly to become easy victims for pedophiles. If we teach children that it's "no big deal" to have their genitals touched by strangers, we're creating a perfect storm for a massive cultural shift that defines being a "good citizen" as being someone who lets anyone in authority transcend physical integrity "because they said so."
So TSA jobs become a massive employment training program for NAMBLA members. It's like something out of an article in The Onion or a skit on SNL. But it's not. It's *federal policy*.
YOU may not think of yourself as a wingman for a pedophile, but you are. Your attitude makes me ill.
I have patted down a lot of children and I can tell you that the feelings that you are expressing are adult emotions. None of them cried. With all due respect, the process means nothing to them unless they are taught otherwise. Young children have no sense of sexuality. A properly done patdown will not leave them feeling any thought of violation.
Here is a snip from this site that discusses inappropriate touching.
Bad Touch
Touches that make you feel uncomfortable are usually bad touches. You don't have to keep a secret when someone gives you bad touch. Don't feel that you are bad. Whoever gives you a bad touch is the one who is bad, not you. Your body belongs to you. Nobody should touch you if you don't want to be touched.
Do you know what a bad touch is?
* It is a bad touch if it hurts you.
* It is a bad touch if someone touches you on your body where you don't want to be touched.
* It is a bad touch if a person touches you in a way that makes you feel uncomfortable.
* It is a bad touch if that touch makes you feel scared and nervous.
* It is a bad touch if a person forces you to touch him or her.
* It is a bad touch if a person asks you not to tell anyone.
* It is a bad touch if a person threatens to hurt you if you tell.
Unfortunately, some adults may abuse the trust you give them. The person who touches you in a way you don't like is the person who is doing something wrong, not you. Sexual abuse is always the fault of the bigger, older, or stronger person. Do not blame yourself and don't allow anyone to blame you.
Touches that make you feel uncomfortable are usually bad touches. You don't have to keep a secret when someone gives you bad touch. Don't feel that you are bad. Whoever gives you a bad touch is the one who is bad, not you. Your body belongs to you. Nobody should touch you if you don't want to be touched.
Do you know what a bad touch is?
* It is a bad touch if it hurts you.
* It is a bad touch if someone touches you on your body where you don't want to be touched.
* It is a bad touch if a person touches you in a way that makes you feel uncomfortable.
* It is a bad touch if that touch makes you feel scared and nervous.
* It is a bad touch if a person forces you to touch him or her.
* It is a bad touch if a person asks you not to tell anyone.
* It is a bad touch if a person threatens to hurt you if you tell.
Unfortunately, some adults may abuse the trust you give them. The person who touches you in a way you don't like is the person who is doing something wrong, not you. Sexual abuse is always the fault of the bigger, older, or stronger person. Do not blame yourself and don't allow anyone to blame you.
Last edited by Kiwi Flyer; Nov 24, 2010 at 10:28 pm Reason: merge consecutive posts
Nov 22, 2010 | 6:35 am
#52
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I have patted down a lot of children and I can tell you that the feelings that you are expressing are adult emotions. None of them cried. With all due respect, the process means nothing to them unless they are taught otherwise. Young children have no sense of sexuality. A properly done patdown will not leave them feeling any thought of violation.
That you perform these actions on a daily basis under the auspices of the TSA in no way diminishes my fury or tempers my emotions over what you do. However, given the situation I stand still and do nothing when I see this being done by TSOs in an airport. In one way this makes me a coward. However, to act as society would demand would put myself and the welfare of my family at risk. From another view? I am merely choosing my battles.
One point worth factoring into your thought process? Inmates of most prisons have held to a long tradition of welcoming child molesters with special attention. If I were a TSA screener? I'd be especially law abiding.... Ending up in jail for any reason might be a career limiting option.