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Darkumbra Nov 20, 2010 5:48 pm

A bizarre thought to consider
 
I have not seen the TSO training manual for the new enhanced pat down, but it seems to me - and this is an assumption on my part - that there must be a section on 'Techniques for calming a child as you grope (sorry.. I meant 'pat down') them'

Just think on this for a moment - a government sponsored/funded document/training guide for groping a child 'quietly'

My head explodes when I think of this.

And worse? Such a section might NOT exist - meaning that NO thought was given to how a child might react. What type of individual would ignore the consequences of these actions?

Either way? My head goes pop.

Fredd Nov 20, 2010 6:02 pm


Originally Posted by Darkumbra (Post 15219395)
I have not seen the TSO training manual for the new enhanced pat down, but it seems to me - and this is an assumption on my part - that there must be a section on 'Techniques for calming a child as you grope (sorry.. I meant 'pat down') them'

It would be easy to make a cheap joke (e.g. see the Foreplay section) but I won't where children are concerned. It's just not funny.

How about this from a Los Angeles Times blogger who is offering instructions to parents:

Child pat-down: If a child is 12 or younger and unable to proceed through the body scanner alone or opts out, then he or she is subject to what the TSA calls "a modified pat-down" search. If the child is older than 12 and opts out of the scanner, he or she is subject to an "enhanced pat-down. " The TSA, citing security reasons, has not provided details on either type of pat-down. But the enhanced pat-down is widely understood to include closer examination of genital areas. It is unclear whether the modified pat-down includes the genital areas.

That said, if an alarm goes off during screening by the new scanner or regular metal detectors, any passenger will be subject to an enhanced pat-down (except for those 12 and younger, who get the modified pat-down).

How to prepare: I suggest parents explain to their kids all the procedures that they may encounter as they pass through security, including the possibility that they may be touched by TSA personnel as part of a pat-down. Parents won’t necessarily be with their kids as they pass through the scanner or get patted down.


http://articles.latimes.com/2010/nov...nners-20101119

:mad: :mad:

tropicalgirl Nov 20, 2010 6:12 pm

I bet they get a little training or are watched at first.

txrus Nov 20, 2010 7:29 pm

Given how many times we've seen the word 'professional' thrown around by Pistole in the past week, I'm guessing they were probably told that health care 'professionals' face the same dilema all the time & to simply focus on the task & not be distracted by the crying, screaming, hysterial child they are traumatizing for life.

After all, it's for the child's own good, right? :mad: :mad: :mad:

eyecue Nov 20, 2010 8:45 pm

I have patted down a lot of children and I can tell you that the feelings that you are expressing are adult emotions. None of them cried. With all due respect, the process means nothing to them unless they are taught otherwise. Young children have no sense of sexuality. A properly done patdown will not leave them feeling any thought of violation.

slidergirl Nov 20, 2010 8:48 pm


Originally Posted by eyecue (Post 15220818)
I have patted down a lot of children and I can tell you that the feelings that you are expressing are adult emotions. None of them cried. With all due respect, the process means nothing to them unless they are taught otherwise. Young children have no sense of sexuality. A properly done patdown will not leave them feeling any thought of violation.

A perv comes up to a young child. He starts to "pat down", saying "don't worry kid, it's just like the TSA does at the airport..."

BearX220 Nov 20, 2010 8:51 pm


Originally Posted by eyecue (Post 15220818)
Young children have no sense of sexuality. A properly done patdown will not leave them feeling any thought of violation.

And your degree in child psychology is from what medical school? With due respect, you don't have the credentials to proclaim any such thing.

Fredd Nov 20, 2010 8:52 pm


Originally Posted by eyecue (Post 15220818)
I have patted down a lot of children and I can tell you that the feelings that you are expressing are adult emotions. None of them cried. With all due respect, the process means nothing to them unless they are taught otherwise. Young children have no sense of sexuality. A properly done patdown will not leave them feeling any thought of violation.

You mean outmoded concepts like respecting their own bodies, and good touching and bad touching? :rolleyes:

Are young children now officially described as "under-12?" I don't think I could deal rationally with what your opinion may be regarding the 12-14-year-old age group. :rolleyes:

I ran into one or two professionals expressing similar opinions during a long career as a teacher and administrator. I'll say no more. :mad:

manneca Nov 20, 2010 8:53 pm


Originally Posted by eyecue (Post 15220818)
I have patted down a lot of children and I can tell you that the feelings that you are expressing are adult emotions. None of them cried. With all due respect, the process means nothing to them unless they are taught otherwise. Young children have no sense of sexuality. A properly done patdown will not leave them feeling any thought of violation.

Words escape me.

HNL Nov 20, 2010 8:55 pm


Originally Posted by BearX220 (Post 15220869)
And your degree in child psychology is from what medical school? With due respect, you don't have the credentials to proclaim any such thing.

But eyecue is a TSA professional, it must be true.

bdschobel Nov 20, 2010 8:58 pm


Originally Posted by manneca (Post 15220889)
Words escape me.

Let me give it a try:

Any TSA screener who believes that he is also a competent child psychologist must be deranged. Few, if any, TSA employees have such competence (or, one might add, any real competence).

Bruce

mikeef Nov 20, 2010 8:58 pm


Originally Posted by eyecue (Post 15220818)
I have patted down a lot of children and I can tell you that the feelings that you are expressing are adult emotions. None of them cried. With all due respect, the process means nothing to them unless they are taught otherwise. Young children have no sense of sexuality. A properly done patdown will not leave them feeling any thought of violation.

Yeah, that's exactly what I want to teach my kids. "It's okay to let strangers touch you, since it's not really a violation." :rolleyes:

Mike

MajorJim Nov 20, 2010 9:03 pm


Originally Posted by eyecue (Post 15220818)
I have patted down a lot of children and I can tell you that the feelings that you are expressing are adult emotions. None of them cried. With all due respect, the process means nothing to them unless they are taught otherwise. Young children have no sense of sexuality. A properly done patdown will not leave them feeling any thought of violation.

Sounds just like the rationalization a pedophile uses. What you are actually saying is that it is fair to exploit their innocence.

So as long as they don't realize what is being done to them is wrong, it is OK?

Might want to take a look at the Center for Missing and Exploited Children's website.

mikeef Nov 20, 2010 9:10 pm


Originally Posted by eyecue (Post 15220818)
I have patted down a lot of children and I can tell you that the feelings that you are expressing are adult emotions. None of them cried. With all due respect, the process means nothing to them unless they are taught otherwise. Young children have no sense of sexuality. A properly done patdown will not leave them feeling any thought of violation.

Would you consider this proper? Just curious.

Mike

AmericanSecurityTheater Nov 20, 2010 9:19 pm


Originally Posted by eyecue (Post 15220818)
I have patted down a lot of children and I can tell you that the feelings that you are expressing are adult emotions. None of them cried. With all due respect, the process means nothing to them unless they are taught otherwise. Young children have no sense of sexuality. A properly done patdown will not leave them feeling any thought of violation.

I don't think your employer will like it when this statement ends up in the news.


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