Double Patdown
Nov 14, 2010 | 6:49 pm
#16
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 92
Agree with the other posters. No only could they cause mischief via some semi-legal BS, but this info leaves you wide open to identity theft for false documentation or financial purposes. It all sounds extremely fishy. Check your credit report frequently in the immediate future.
I would not only file a complaint, but make a copy of it. If you start seeing something strange going on in your private life after this, contact police sooner than later.
http://www.fightidentitytheft.com/flag.html
I would not only file a complaint, but make a copy of it. If you start seeing something strange going on in your private life after this, contact police sooner than later.
http://www.fightidentitytheft.com/flag.html
Nov 14, 2010 | 7:06 pm
#17
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Minneapolis, Hong Kong
Programs: United Airlines 1K MM, Hilton Honors Gold
Posts: 248
I am always in a skirt or dress. It will be interesting to see what happens to me as I am flying on the 24th.
Nov 14, 2010 | 7:06 pm
#18
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,964
Female, I was in a dress or skirt every time.
I believe that MrsMikeMpls was in a skirt when they made the decision not to fly over the upcoming holiday, and it may have been from MSP? I have been making my own study and certain airports seem to target skirt/dress wearers while others do not. DTW is another one which seems to select all skirt/dress wearers when I pass through security.
Nov 14, 2010 | 7:07 pm
#19
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Minneapolis, Hong Kong
Programs: United Airlines 1K MM, Hilton Honors Gold
Posts: 248
If you were in a dress or skirt, some TSOs here claim that it is 'bulky' and thus is a reason for secondary every time. Other TSOs and supervisors here have said that this is not a reason for secondary every time. You may be encountering TSOs in the first group, unfortunately.
Nov 14, 2010 | 7:09 pm
#20
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,964
Be careful - new reports are that a tight pencil skirt means that the TSO cannot get between your legs, and that you will be sent to a private screening to remove your skirt and change into a paper gown for a further search.
That was not I believe official word but a second hand quote of new TSO procedure.
I have not worn any skirt or dress which could be called 'bulky' either.
That was not I believe official word but a second hand quote of new TSO procedure.
I have not worn any skirt or dress which could be called 'bulky' either.
Nov 14, 2010 | 7:11 pm
#21
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: MSP
Programs: DL-PM, Small Luxury Hotels & Proud Member of TSA Disparager-Gold
Posts: 774
I have a theory that the larger our TSA disparager ranks grow and the more media attention disparagers garner, the more sh*t TSA pulls. The garbage about needing SSN, home address and other personal information is an additional intimidation tactic. What are they doing with these reports, putting the abuse victim on their own TSA no-fly list for being non-compliant?
I can't wait for the final show down. It's coming to a security theater near you.
Please lord in heaven tell me this is not true.
I can't wait for the final show down. It's coming to a security theater near you.
Please lord in heaven tell me this is not true.
Last edited by Kiwi Flyer; Nov 14, 2010 at 10:57 pm Reason: merge consecutive posts
Nov 14, 2010 | 7:16 pm
#22
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Northeast Kansas | Colorado Native
Programs: Amex Gold/Plat, UA *G, Hyatt Globalist, IHG Plat Marriott LT Gold, NEXUS, TSA Disparager Unobtanium
Posts: 22,647
I have a theory that the larger our TSA disparager ranks grow and the more media attention disparagers garner, the more sh*t TSA pulls. The garbage about needing SSN, home address and other personal information is an additional intimidation tactic. What are they doing with these reports, putting the abuse victim on their own TSA no-fly list for being non-compliant?
I can't wait for the final show down. It's coming to a security theater near you.
I can't wait for the final show down. It's coming to a security theater near you.
Nov 14, 2010 | 7:28 pm
#23
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,964
Answers vary. From a STSO
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trave...l#post15116079 (see post 20)
However what started the thread is disturbing:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trave...creenings.html
As for skirts, if the fabric is loose enough, they are just going to sort of wrap it around the leg and pat it down. If the skirt is tight enough that fabric can't be wrapped around the inner leg, you might be looking at something a bit more thorough. If at any time a TSA officer is placing their hand up your skirt, and you are not dating them, then they are performing the search incorrectly. Notify their supervisor, it shouldn't be allowed.
However what started the thread is disturbing:
TSA says that during the new standard pat-down, a screener of the same sex will examine your head, shirt collar area, and waistband, and may use either the front or back of his or her hands to feel your body, including buttocks, around breasts, and between the legs, feeling up to the top of the thigh. Women in tight skirts that don't allow an agent to feel the thigh area may be asked to remove the skirt in a private screening area and will be given a gown or towel to put on.
Nov 14, 2010 | 7:35 pm
#24
Original Poster
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 76
I have a theory that the larger our TSA disparager ranks grow and the more media attention disparagers garner, the more sh*t TSA pulls. The garbage about needing SSN, home address and other personal information is an additional intimidation tactic. What are they doing with these reports, putting the abuse victim on their own TSA no-fly list for being non-compliant?
I can't wait for the final show down. It's coming to a security theater near you.
I can't wait for the final show down. It's coming to a security theater near you.
My questions were stated in a calm manner.
Nov 14, 2010 | 7:36 pm
#26
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Minneapolis, Hong Kong
Programs: United Airlines 1K MM, Hilton Honors Gold
Posts: 248
Be careful - new reports are that a tight pencil skirt means that the TSO cannot get between your legs, and that you will be sent to a private screening to remove your skirt and change into a paper gown for a further search.
That was not I believe official word but a second hand quote of new TSO procedure.
I have not worn any skirt or dress which could be called 'bulky' either.
That was not I believe official word but a second hand quote of new TSO procedure.
I have not worn any skirt or dress which could be called 'bulky' either.
Nov 14, 2010 | 7:43 pm
#27
Original Poster
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 76
After she patted me down, she told me she had to "clear her gloves".
When she returned she said a substance had been detected when I went thru the metal detector.
I did not see any swab, only gloves. She told me those gloves were a special kind that do the swabbing, that's why she had to "clear" them.
I think I've been taken for a fool by these jerks.
Can anybody shed some light about regarding stupid gloves?
Nov 14, 2010 | 7:47 pm
#28
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Somewhere near BWI
Programs: DL DM, HH Dia, SPG Gold, MR Plat, Hertz PC
Posts: 3,654
From what I have seen, there is no difference in the gloves - they are still the standard blue nitrile ones TSA has used for a couple of years. What I have observed is the following - the TSA screener performs a patdown, walks over to the Explosives Trace Detector (ETD), picks up a swab, runs it over all surfaces of both gloves, puts swab in ETD and observes the report. Once completed, the good TSA screeners will strip the gloves off, dispose of them and don a new pair; the bad TSA screeners will just walk back to the victim and finish whatever other abuse they intended to apply or let the passenger proceed.
Nov 14, 2010 | 7:56 pm
#29
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: MSP
Programs: DL-PM, Small Luxury Hotels & Proud Member of TSA Disparager-Gold
Posts: 774
I know you were. In fact I think you were too compliant, sorry. I really mean that anyone who refuses to just accept what TSA dictates as gospel is viewed as non-compliant in their eyes.
Nov 14, 2010 | 7:57 pm
#30
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Somewhere near BWI
Programs: DL DM, HH Dia, SPG Gold, MR Plat, Hertz PC
Posts: 3,654
Yup, one of our TSA posters has actually called those of us that disagree with his opinions "rabid TSA haters".