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Old Nov 2, 2010 | 9:33 pm
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Originally Posted by DevilDog438
But, if the buck never stops, there is no accountability...
Good point but that's another argument LOL
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Old Nov 3, 2010 | 7:08 am
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Originally Posted by DevilDog438
But, if the buck never stops, there is no accountability...
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I believe Global_Hi_Flyer was saying, in a sarcastic manner, was that, it is apparent through anecdotal observation, the buck never stops.
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Old Nov 3, 2010 | 8:09 am
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For those who are primarily screened by the WTMD and don't alarm, not noticing any differences is about what I would expect from the majority.

Even in terms of the "exact" "name match" related to (In)Secure Flights changes "starting" on the first of this month, not noticing any differences is about what I would expect from the majority of even those whose presented photo ID is not an "exact" match with the name as transmitted by the airlines.

Originally Posted by DevilDog438
But, if the buck never stops, there is no accountability...
That encapsulates the problem with US DHS, and more so the TSA within it.
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Old Nov 3, 2010 | 8:54 am
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For those who are primarily screened by the WTMD and don't alarm, not noticing any differences is about what I would expect from the majority.
Oddly enough, this Tuesday AM was the first time in a while that I witnessed the NoSs at ORD not being used at all (at least in the T1 premier line). Maybe the TSA employees realized the havoc the new rules would cause in terms of delay?

Originally Posted by GUWonder
Even in terms of the "exact" "name match" related to (In)Secure Flights changes "starting" on the first of this month, not noticing any differences is about what I would expect from the majority of even those whose presented photo ID is not an "exact" match with the name as transmitted by the airlines.
As always, I had no problem with a BP that did not include my middle initials (my PP card, DL, etc. have them).

However, how would the TSA employee know the secure flight data transmitted by the airline? Is that printed on the BP? I was under the impression that the two could vary.
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Old Nov 3, 2010 | 10:24 am
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Originally Posted by ralfp
Oddly enough, this Tuesday AM was the first time in a while that I witnessed the NoSs at ORD not being used at all (at least in the T1 premier line). Maybe the TSA employees realized the havoc the new rules would cause in terms of delay?
I have no doubt that an current equipment- or staffing-related limitation creating delays due to the "changes" is not something the TSA wants to publicly acknowledge or make more obvious to more persons.

Yesterday afternoon -- during non-peak hours -- all of the functioning TSA strip search machines at ORD were being used.

Does the TSA think that terrorists have an aversion to trying to engaging in criminal activity at peak times of the day? [Didn't all of the 9/11 hijackers go through airport security at one of the busiest times of the day for the airports at which they boarded?] Terrorists clearly have no good reason to fear the strip search machines if packing explosives in their body cavities; and they don't have every reason to worry about being caught for explosives if some kind of explosives are packed in a way that seems mundane on the x-ray machines generally in use for screening luggage -- cabin or checked -- in the US.

Originally Posted by ralfp
As always, I had no problem with a BP that did not include my middle initials (my PP card, DL, etc. have them).

However, how would the TSA employee know the secure flight data transmitted by the airline? Is that printed on the BP? I was under the impression that the two could vary.
They can and do vary.
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Old Nov 3, 2010 | 10:41 pm
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I went through TSA checkpoints at IAH and MSY today and procedures at both locations had not changed one iota. Maybe they are just messing with me!
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Old Nov 10, 2010 | 10:21 am
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Originally Posted by ralfp
Oddly enough, this Tuesday AM was the first time in a while that I witnessed the NoSs at ORD not being used at all (at least in the T1 premier line). Maybe the TSA employees realized the havoc the new rules would cause in terms of delay?
It happened again yesterday (Tuesday AM). This time the T1 Premier line had the NoS roped off, but they seemed to be in operation in the other lanes.

The new no-NoS policy seems like an improvement.
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Old Nov 10, 2010 | 11:59 am
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Originally Posted by ralfp
However, how would the TSA employee know the secure flight data transmitted by the airline? Is that printed on the BP? I was under the impression that the two could vary.
Can and do. For all of the dozens of reservations I've made since the SecureFlight data field (SSR DOCS) was available, I've always put the middle name(s) only there and not in the PNR name field.
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Old Nov 10, 2010 | 6:30 pm
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I watched my first post-end of October pat down today. It was truly the nastiest and most invasive act I have ever seen at a checkpoint - any checkpoint. There is a lot of theatre and dare I say teasing involved in the circling of and caressing of the private parts but at the end of the day it really is disgusting and in a twisted sense bordered on the pscho-erotic. The way in which the TSO gets to feel around and under the breasts - simply amazing - I mean, my wife barely lets me do that!

But what really ticked me off was the audacity with which the toothless TSO crone with the overtanned skin addressed me after she had "petted down" my colleague (who is about a 8.6 - 8.8 on the hotness scale). She looked at me and said something to the effect of "did you get a good look then, you pervert?" I'm not often lost for words but today I was, and I'm still kicking myself over my lack of mounting an effective response to this past her sell-by date old bag and indeed my failure to convince my colleague to file an official complaint about the pat down.
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Old Nov 11, 2010 | 12:23 pm
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He informs me that there will be if my attitude doesn't improve. This is what I don't understand. How is this kind of behavior by a TSO allowed?
It's tacitly "allowed" by the state WRT to all of those in authority.

If you give a customs agent lip, s/he can choose to detain you for an hour and go through all of your bags in great detail before sending you on your way.

If you give a police officer lip at a roadside stop they can spend a bunch of time asking you to do a roadside sobriety test and on and on before sending you on your way - Or give you a speeding ticket instead of a warning.

They can't act outside their legal constraints, but within them they can affect a wife range of nuisance activities.
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Old Nov 11, 2010 | 12:25 pm
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Originally Posted by gglave
wife range of nuisance activities.
Although I assume you meant "wide", I still got a good laugh at this.
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Old Nov 11, 2010 | 2:07 pm
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Originally Posted by PhlyingRPh
I watched my first post-end of October pat down today. It was truly the nastiest and most invasive act I have ever seen at a checkpoint - any checkpoint. There is a lot of theatre and dare I say teasing involved in the circling of and caressing of the private parts but at the end of the day it really is disgusting and in a twisted sense bordered on the pscho-erotic. The way in which the TSO gets to feel around and under the breasts - simply amazing - I mean, my wife barely lets me do that!

But what really ticked me off was the audacity with which the toothless TSO crone with the overtanned skin addressed me after she had "petted down" my colleague (who is about a 8.6 - 8.8 on the hotness scale). She looked at me and said something to the effect of "did you get a good look then, you pervert?" I'm not often lost for words but today I was, and I'm still kicking myself over my lack of mounting an effective response to this past her sell-by date old bag and indeed my failure to convince my colleague to file an official complaint about the pat down.
I sent a letter to my elected representatives in government and communicated my disgust at what children well below the age of 18 end up witnessing -- or being subjected to -- at airport security checkpoints nowadays due to the TSA "security" perverts.

If middle and high school coaches behaved like the TSA and played TSA-style airport "security" with the students on the teams they coached and got caught, those coaches end up as registered sex offenders in the US.
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Old Nov 11, 2010 | 2:39 pm
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Originally Posted by GUWonder
I sent a letter to my elected representatives in government and communicated my disgust at what children well below the age of 18 end up witnessing -- or being subjected to -- at airport security checkpoints nowadays due to the TSA "security" perverts.

If middle and high school coaches behaved like the TSA and played TSA-style airport "security" with the students on the teams they coached and got caught, those coaches end up as registered sex offenders in the US.
I am writing up a complaint on behalf of my colleague for the groping and I shall be putting one in on my behalf too re/ the rude TSO at IAH yesterday.

BTW, you need to clear up your PM box
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