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deldel Aug 15, 2010 10:57 am


Originally Posted by TSORon (Post 14485022)
The SKY is falling the Sky is falling!

Whats next, global warming?

Which is a bigger myth? Global Warming or TSA stops/deters terrorism?

IslandBased Aug 15, 2010 10:58 am


Originally Posted by TSORon (Post 14485022)
The SKY is falling the Sky is falling!

Whats next, global warming?

:rolleyes:


Which is a bigger myth? Global Warming or TSA stops/deters terrorism?
LOL

SATTSO Aug 15, 2010 10:58 am


Originally Posted by deldel (Post 14485035)
You make a good point regarding the fact that even if it is "security theater" which only accomplishes to make someone feel safer, then more ppl will fly. But I also know ppl who have greatly reduced flying due to the hassle of security. I myself have canceled 2 trips just this year because I didn't want to deal with the TSA. Lucky for me i only "need" to fly 1 more time in the next couple of months. Very interesting article.

Thanks, but it's not actually my point. It's from the article; and I actually don't agree with it. :)

I think the shock and fear created right after 9/11 stopped a large amount of people from flying, and to be blunt, i think we sort of got used to it, or got over it, which is why air travel began to rise. The crappy economy certainly lowered air travel numbers, to be sure, but that would be a stretch to blame on TSA.

Tom M. Aug 15, 2010 11:00 am


Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 14485070)
Yet when TSA was established air travel began to rise until the year the study was published.

It would equally be incorrect to try and credit TSA for any increase in air travel.

coachrowsey Aug 15, 2010 11:04 am

TSA=Terrorist Surrounding Airport

SATTSO Aug 15, 2010 11:05 am


Originally Posted by Tom M. (Post 14485106)
It would equally be incorrect to try and credit TSA for any increase in air travel.

And if you read my posts in this thread, you would see that I said that - in my first post, actually.

FliesWay2Much Aug 15, 2010 11:14 am


Originally Posted by TSORon (Post 14485022)
The SKY is falling the Sky is falling!

Whats next, global warming?

Don't take my word for it: NOAA Climate Services. Read the "State of the Climate -- 2009" document. BTW, everything on the website is peer-reviewed science.

Travelsonic Aug 15, 2010 11:15 am


Originally Posted by TSORon (Post 14485022)
The SKY is falling the Sky is falling!

Ironic, since your agency seems to act on the "sky is falling" principal more often than not.

Wimpie Aug 15, 2010 11:20 am

Here's the original Cornall article:

http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/...t11driving.pdf

N965VJ Aug 15, 2010 11:38 am


Originally Posted by Saltine (Post 14484628)
And who says they switched to driving because of TSA?

Father and son said they skipped the airport because of the security hassles. Now, they're rethinking their choice.

"I'm driving from now on,"

LessO2 Aug 15, 2010 11:40 am

As a regular in this forum, I have to say this thread is embarrassing.

SATTSO Aug 15, 2010 11:41 am

That was in 2009. The study was published in 2005.

doober Aug 15, 2010 11:42 am


Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 14485070)
Yes, and they are now climbing.

However, the study mentioned was published in 2005. And travel was up each year from 9/11 to when that study was published.

Air travel crashed after 9/11, and TSA wasn't around, so you can't blame TSA for that. Yet when TSA was established air travel began to rise until the year the study was published.

It would be one thing if during the time period that study was conducted air travel declined year after year, but that isn't what happened.

Where do you see they are climbing? SAT's departing passengers fell 1.47% from last year; EWR's fell 3.21%; JFK's fell 4.93%; SFO 6.10%; ORD 1.63%.

You must be drinking a lot of the TSA Kool-Aid if you think they are rising. But I'll bet that's part of what your management tells you, isn't it?

N965VJ Aug 15, 2010 11:44 am


Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 14485325)
That was in 2009. The study was published in 2005.

Yes, the number of people driving to avoid the TSA is increasing.

SATTSO Aug 15, 2010 11:57 am


Originally Posted by doober (Post 14485330)
Where do you see they are climbing? SAT's departing passengers fell 1.47% from last year; EWR's fell 3.21%; JFK's fell 4.93%; SFO 6.10%; ORD 1.63%.

You must be drinking a lot of the TSA Kool-Aid if you think they are rising. But I'll bet that's part of what your management tells you, isn't it?

Hmmm SATs own numbers (not TSAs) have a different percentage for how much pax load (enplanement) fell last year, and I trust the airport manager here.

And that was last year. This year they are up, albeit ever so slightly.


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