Breaking News: 7/4/10 Terminal Evacuation at JFK Due to Bomb Threat
Jul 5, 2010, 6:25 am
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However, I must muse about total evacuations; it seems to me that a circular clear zone of an established radius away from the suspected threat instead of a total terminal exacuation might be equally effective in some cases. I understand that there would be operational constraints since things move quickly in these situations and exacuation is a simple, one-size-fits-all solution, but I am reminded of the EWR terminal evacuation and can't help but think of what would have happened if a bomb went off in the middle of that croud . . .
The authorities don't seem to have worked this out, nor the rat maze of people leading to check-in and security which is also a prime target of opportunity. They have got away with it so far, so will continue to handle things the same way. Until...
Jul 5, 2010, 7:55 am
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Combination.
C'mon folks, this had nothing at all to do with Pistole or the TSA
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If a bomb threat is phoned in you don't ignore it completely. Yes, it's most likely a hoax but combined with an apparently abandoned bag evacuation seems prudent to me.
Unless as per incidents in the past, the evacuation caused everyone to move back toward the suspect bag, in which case
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An unattended bag is one of the few things I will report. Put it down to living in London 1979-82.
C'mon folks, this had nothing at all to do with Pistole or the TSA
.If a bomb threat is phoned in you don't ignore it completely. Yes, it's most likely a hoax but combined with an apparently abandoned bag evacuation seems prudent to me.
Unless as per incidents in the past, the evacuation caused everyone to move back toward the suspect bag, in which case
.An unattended bag is one of the few things I will report. Put it down to living in London 1979-82.
However, I must muse about total evacuations; it seems to me that a circular clear zone of an established radius away from the suspected threat instead of a total terminal exacuation might be equally effective in some cases. I understand that there would be operational constraints since things move quickly in these situations and exacuation is a simple, one-size-fits-all solution, but I am reminded of the EWR terminal evacuation and can't help but think of what would have happened if a bomb went off in the middle of that croud . . .
Jul 5, 2010, 12:34 pm
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Jul 5, 2010, 12:39 pm
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I have to agree.
However, I must muse about total evacuations; it seems to me that a circular clear zone of an established radius away from the suspected threat instead of a total terminal exacuation might be equally effective in some cases. I understand that there would be operational constraints since things move quickly in these situations and exacuation is a simple, one-size-fits-all solution, but I am reminded of the EWR terminal evacuation and can't help but think of what would have happened if a bomb went off in the middle of that croud . . .
However, I must muse about total evacuations; it seems to me that a circular clear zone of an established radius away from the suspected threat instead of a total terminal exacuation might be equally effective in some cases. I understand that there would be operational constraints since things move quickly in these situations and exacuation is a simple, one-size-fits-all solution, but I am reminded of the EWR terminal evacuation and can't help but think of what would have happened if a bomb went off in the middle of that croud . . .
Jul 5, 2010, 2:18 pm
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Jul 5, 2010, 4:06 pm
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While it is for VBIEDs it should give you an idea of the minimum distances. Depending on the location of the unattended bag, size and what is around it (glass) would depend on what the incident commander would evacuate.
Having persons moving from the gates back out to the lobby may not be the best idea but again this is the call for the officials on site. If there was an explosion would it be better to have persons trapped at the gates running onto the AOA?
The matter of what areas to evacuate and then the potential of causing a secondary "killing" zone is brought out every time an evacuation exercise is run. It is a hard call and there will always be Monday morning quarterbacks.
Jul 6, 2010, 5:23 pm
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