Originally Posted by pmocek (Post 14255347)

I don't know how to make this any clearer. When someone asks you if something is the case or not, the only logical answers to that question are 'yes' or 'no'.

Originally Posted by pmocek (Post 14255347)

Posted elsewhere:



Explanation: You told us that once, while performing your duties as document checker, you met a passenger who declined to present identity credentials, and you refused to examine his boarding pass, effectively barring him from traveling because instead of telling you that his credentials were lost or stolen, he noted that he's not required to do so:



So Boggie Dog asked if it is TSA's policy to refrain from questioning and searching a passenger (prerequisites for boarding a flight) if that person has identity credentials on his person and refuses to present them. You hemmed and hawed, never answering this simple yes/no question with a yes or a no. You told us what would happen in that situation, but never once answered the question about TSA policy.



No.



Sure. In response to that question, you asked another question. You never answered the questions, though.

#1 - #3: yes, no, or cannot answer. Simple. Up to you. I'm losing interest.



I don't know how to make this any clearer. When someone asks you if something is the case or not, the only logical answers to that question are 'yes' or 'no'. Suspecting that you were unable to answer some of these questions but were having difficulty expressing that and instead insisting that you had answered them, I suggested how you might explain that you cannot answer.



I don't think so. If you do, you can prove hat you answered at least three of them: Quote the posts in which you said 'yes' or 'no' to the three questions above. If you think those aren't yes/no questions, please say so. If you can't answer them (because you need more information in order to do so, or for any other reason) then you must not have answered them.

Originally Posted by DeaconFlyer (Post 14255527)

A man in uniform carries a gun through a checkpoint. Did he break any laws?

Originally Posted by DeaconFlyer (Post 14255527)

Phil:

Please answer the following question, remembering that the only logical answers are either "yes" or "no".

A man in uniform carries a gun through a checkpoint. Did he break any laws?

Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 14255569)

You just post:

"#1 - #3: yes, no, or cannot answer."

Sooooo.... Why have you changed the question from what you first asked? Why have you left off "more information needed"?

Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 14255590)

I see that [Phil] avoided answering your question. He danced around it.

Originally Posted by pmocek (Post 14255585)

I can't answer that. There's not enough information provided. He might have.

Though I responded to the question, I did not answer it.

I'm not aware of any law that bars uniformed men from carrying guns past TSA airport barricades. Are you?

Originally Posted by pmocek (Post 14255629)

There was no dancing. I made it very clear: I cannot answer that question. I'm not telling you that I already answered, and I'm responding with other information that might convince people that I did answer.

I'll elaborate: Without knowing everything the man did, and without thorough knowledge of the laws which he was bound to follow, I cannot determine if he violated any law or not.

Originally Posted by DeaconFlyer (Post 14255630)

Please tell us what more information you need to be able to answer the question.

Originally Posted by pmocek (Post 14255629)

I'll elaborate: Without knowing everything the man did, and without thorough knowledge of the laws which he was bound to follow, I cannot determine if he violated any law or not.

Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 14255667)

And I made it very clear to answer the questions you and BD asked I would abbé to ask the passenger more questions, and based upon the answers (or lack of answers if they chose not to provide any) I would them have to answer "yes" or "no".

Originally Posted by pmocek (Post 14255629)

There was no dancing. I made it very clear: I cannot answer that question. I'm not telling you that I already answered, and I'm responding with other information that might convince people that I did answer.

I'll elaborate: Without knowing everything the man did, and without thorough knowledge of the laws which he was bound to follow, I cannot determine if he violated any law or not.

Originally Posted by DeaconFlyer (Post 14255780)

So you are unable to answer a simple yes or no question unless I supply you with perfect information?

Originally Posted by pmocek (Post 14298130)

SATTSO:

1. Is it TSA's policy to refrain from offering "passenger screening" (i.e., searching and questioning of a passenger) to a person if that person has ID on his or her person and refuses to show TSA that ID?
2. Previous rulings had stated that a passenger had the choice of not showing ID if they agreed to enhanced screening. Is that the case today?
3. If I, a passenger, have a form of ID on my person and simply state that I do not wish to show ID will the process of alternative screening begin?

Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 14298382)

I think he is still trying to get the egg of his face from the last go around on this.

Originally Posted by pmocek (Post 14298130)

Previous rulings had stated that a passenger had the choice of not showing ID if they agreed to enhanced screening. Is that the case today?

Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 14298382)

I think he is still trying to get the egg of his face from the last go around on this.

Originally Posted by RichardKenner (Post 14298708)

I believe you are referring to a TSA policy, not a court ruling. This policy was indeed an issue in Gilmore, but the ruling in that case merely acknowleged the policy, not codified it in any way. It's been said here many times that TSA has changed the policy several times since then.


I think you're confusing alternate means of identification with alternate screening. As was explained here, the old policy that linked the two has, for the most part, been changed. Current TSA policy is that people must prove their identity, or at least cooperate with the process of doing so (which does not require showing any form of ID). Whether somebody is then subject to standard or secondary ("alternate") screening apparently depends on the degree to which the STSO is satisfied with the provided proof.