Shoes vs. Bins
May 26, 2010, 11:07 pm
#17
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The REAL policy is:
TSO's need a clear view of the shoes. (reason: shoe bombs etc.)
Shoes have to be seperate from the rest of your property.
They can go directly on the x-ray belt (easier for the passenger)
or if you're going to use a bin/tray they have to be by themselves.
Nothing on top, below, around or inside your shoes.
Now;
If your laptop and shoes fit in a bin/tray side by side, not overlapping, thats ok too.
**contradicting statement (nothing around, but if they fit side by side its ok)
just saves time saying directly on the belt, also people dont want to hear a long explanation for anything while traveling
TSO's need a clear view of the shoes. (reason: shoe bombs etc.)
Shoes have to be seperate from the rest of your property.
They can go directly on the x-ray belt (easier for the passenger)
or if you're going to use a bin/tray they have to be by themselves.
Nothing on top, below, around or inside your shoes.
Now;
If your laptop and shoes fit in a bin/tray side by side, not overlapping, thats ok too.
**contradicting statement (nothing around, but if they fit side by side its ok)
just saves time saying directly on the belt, also people dont want to hear a long explanation for anything while traveling
May 26, 2010, 11:16 pm
#18
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The REAL policy is:
TSO's need a clear view of the shoes. (reason: shoe bombs etc.)
Shoes have to be seperate from the rest of your property.
They can go directly on the x-ray belt (easier for the passenger)
or if you're going to use a bin/tray they have to be by themselves.
Nothing on top, below, around or inside your shoes.
Now;
If your laptop and shoes fit in a bin/tray side by side, not overlapping, thats ok too.
**contradicting statement (nothing around, but if they fit side by side its ok)
just saves time saying directly on the belt, also people dont want to hear a long explanation for anything while traveling
TSO's need a clear view of the shoes. (reason: shoe bombs etc.)
Shoes have to be seperate from the rest of your property.
They can go directly on the x-ray belt (easier for the passenger)
or if you're going to use a bin/tray they have to be by themselves.
Nothing on top, below, around or inside your shoes.
Now;
If your laptop and shoes fit in a bin/tray side by side, not overlapping, thats ok too.
**contradicting statement (nothing around, but if they fit side by side its ok)
just saves time saying directly on the belt, also people dont want to hear a long explanation for anything while traveling
Why is "directly on the x-ray belt" "easier for the passenger"? What if the shoe strings tangle in the rollers, or the shoes get knocked around and damaged?
May 26, 2010, 11:45 pm
#19
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The REAL policy is:
TSO's need a clear view of the shoes. (reason: shoe bombs etc.)
Shoes have to be seperate from the rest of your property.
They can go directly on the x-ray belt (easier for the passenger)
or if you're going to use a bin/tray they have to be by themselves.
Nothing on top, below, around or inside your shoes.
TSO's need a clear view of the shoes. (reason: shoe bombs etc.)
Shoes have to be seperate from the rest of your property.
They can go directly on the x-ray belt (easier for the passenger)
or if you're going to use a bin/tray they have to be by themselves.
Nothing on top, below, around or inside your shoes.
If it had stayed in the bin, the shoe would have been fine.
Again, how is it easier for the passenger? I am not inconvenienced by having to slide a 1/2 pound bin on the rollers.
May 27, 2010, 10:06 am
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You forgot to say that this applies only to those shoes that were on the passenger's feet as s/he approached the checkpoint. It apparently doesn't apply to shoes that are inside the carry-on bag that the passenger is carrying (possibly stuffed with socks or other items), because nothing in the TSA "rules" (as we're allowed to see them) says that shoes must be removed from carry-on bags.
Why is "directly on the x-ray belt" "easier for the passenger"? What if the shoe strings tangle in the rollers, or the shoes get knocked around and damaged?
Why is "directly on the x-ray belt" "easier for the passenger"? What if the shoe strings tangle in the rollers, or the shoes get knocked around and damaged?
.as to shoes and/or shoe laces getting tangled inside the x-ray machine......you end up with yet another overpriced government asset which doesn't work. yeah, this one worked as advertised but then the tsa found a way to break it
May 27, 2010, 11:16 am
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I don't understand the question. Is the OP implying that the TSA "policies" should be uniform? What ever happened by surprising the terrorist by confusing them about whether their shoes should be inside or outside of the bin? let confusion reign!
May 27, 2010, 12:38 pm
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TSA running on pseudo-random noise generated policies? Say it isn't true. Chaotic checkpoint behavior most likely is due to people not knowing what they are supposed to be doing. Yet another manager failure system wide inside of TSA.
May 27, 2010, 1:44 pm
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They can go directly on the x-ray belt (easier for the passenger)
or if you're going to use a bin/tray they have to be by themselves.
Nothing on top, below, around or inside your shoes.
or if you're going to use a bin/tray they have to be by themselves.
Nothing on top, below, around or inside your shoes.
Now;
If your laptop and shoes fit in a bin/tray side by side, not overlapping, thats ok too.
**contradicting statement (nothing around, but if they fit side by side its ok)
just saves time saying directly on the belt, also people dont want to hear a long explanation for anything while traveling
If your laptop and shoes fit in a bin/tray side by side, not overlapping, thats ok too.
**contradicting statement (nothing around, but if they fit side by side its ok)
just saves time saying directly on the belt, also people dont want to hear a long explanation for anything while traveling
May 27, 2010, 2:16 pm
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May 30, 2010, 9:01 am
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The REAL policy is:
TSO's need a clear view of the shoes. (reason: shoe bombs etc.)
Shoes have to be seperate from the rest of your property.
They can go directly on the x-ray belt (easier for the passenger)
or if you're going to use a bin/tray they have to be by themselves.
Nothing on top, below, around or inside your shoes.
Now;
If your laptop and shoes fit in a bin/tray side by side, not overlapping, thats ok too.
**contradicting statement (nothing around, but if they fit side by side its ok)
just saves time saying directly on the belt, also people dont want to hear a long explanation for anything while traveling
TSO's need a clear view of the shoes. (reason: shoe bombs etc.)
Shoes have to be seperate from the rest of your property.
They can go directly on the x-ray belt (easier for the passenger)
or if you're going to use a bin/tray they have to be by themselves.
Nothing on top, below, around or inside your shoes.
Now;
If your laptop and shoes fit in a bin/tray side by side, not overlapping, thats ok too.
**contradicting statement (nothing around, but if they fit side by side its ok)
just saves time saying directly on the belt, also people dont want to hear a long explanation for anything while traveling
I know these smurfs don't get alot of action-4 RJ flights/day, soon to be 2, doesn't leave much time to play w/all their toys, but if they truly can't 'see' what was in that bin w/o taking out the Kippie, then there is no way they had any idea what was in my roll-aboard. Oh, wait-that probably explains why everyone's rollaboard, or backpack, or computer bag, was 'selected for additional screening'
Jun 7, 2010, 11:22 am
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They can scan my PC in a bin just fine, why not my shoes? The bins are made of plastic which will not affect the x-ray anyway. But the real kicker is exactly what you've said. I could have multiple pairs of shoes in my bag, at any odd angle I choose...and they scoot right on through. But God forbid you should cross the high school drop-out who tells you where your shoes should go.
Jun 7, 2010, 11:50 am
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I had a TSA screener in STL tell me that the policy is deliberately inconsistent so the terrorists never know what to expect.
I laughed at him.
I laughed at him.
Jun 7, 2010, 12:24 pm
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Jun 7, 2010, 1:57 pm
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