Chased by a TSO!
#47
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: SE Asia
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Non-commercial photography is protected under the First Amendment. There are no lawful local rules against photography in public places.[/QUOTE]
Commercial shopping malls are often believed to be 'public space' when in fact it has been ruled, if privately owned as most are, then it is not 'public space'. Photography e.g. can be prohibited.
Therefore, as many airports are privately owned by corporations and such then photography can probably be banned throughout the facility if they so wish.
Any attornies on board wish to elaborate?
Commercial shopping malls are often believed to be 'public space' when in fact it has been ruled, if privately owned as most are, then it is not 'public space'. Photography e.g. can be prohibited.
Therefore, as many airports are privately owned by corporations and such then photography can probably be banned throughout the facility if they so wish.
Any attornies on board wish to elaborate?
Last edited by bluenotesro; Apr 21, 2010 at 11:27 pm Reason: screwed up :)
#48




Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Houston
Posts: 8,957
Commercial shopping malls are often believed to be 'public space' when in fact it has been ruled, if privately owned as most are, then it is not 'public space'. Photography e.g. can be prohibited.
Therefore, as many airports are privately owned by corporations and such then photography can probably be banned throughout the facility if they so wish.
Therefore, as many airports are privately owned by corporations and such then photography can probably be banned throughout the facility if they so wish.
As an aside, the TSA has said in its discussions about photography that we are not permitted to take pictures of the x-ray monitors. I have read the implementing regulations and have discussed the same with a TSA attorney and know this is not the case. The x-ray monitors are considered to be SSI, so "covered persons" are not permitted to take pictures of them and are to protect that info. However, regular passengers do not fall under the "covered person" definition and, as such, are not subject to the requirement. So a TSO (or an aircrew member) would not be permitted to take a picture of an x-ray monitor, but the general public can without restriction.
#49
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Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Newport Beach, California, USA
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Commercial shopping malls are often believed to be 'public space' when in fact it has been ruled, if privately owned as most are, then it is not 'public space'. Photography e.g. can be prohibited.
Therefore, as many airports are privately owned by corporations and such then photography can probably be banned throughout the facility if they so wish.
Any attornies on board wish to elaborate?
Therefore, as many airports are privately owned by corporations and such then photography can probably be banned throughout the facility if they so wish.
Any attornies on board wish to elaborate?
#50

Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 322
Commercial shopping malls are often believed to be 'public space' when in fact it has been ruled, if privately owned as most are, then it is not 'public space'. Photography e.g. can be prohibited.
IANAL, but IAAIP (I Am An Informed Photographer) who picks battles, but will fight them hard.
#52
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: USA
Posts: 1,439
I have read the implementing regulations and have discussed the same with a TSA attorney and know this is not the case. The x-ray monitors are considered to be SSI, so "covered persons" are not permitted to take pictures of them and are to protect that info. However, regular passengers do not fall under the "covered person" definition and, as such, are not subject to the requirement. So a TSO (or an aircrew member) would not be permitted to take a picture of an x-ray monitor, but the general public can without restriction.
Last edited by pmocek; Apr 22, 2010 at 9:37 am Reason: link to supporting info
#53




Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Houston
Posts: 8,957
Reference, please? I remember blogger Bob Burns stating so once, but only after he stated such was simply discouraged, and after multiple TSA representatives at airports confirmed his first statement. I admit that it seems likely that those representatives mistakenly thought "we ask that you not" means the same thing as "you must not". Regardless, none of those who responded to my request for information from 50 airports said that such photography was prohibited.
#54
In memoriam
Join Date: May 2008
Location: AKL
Programs: QF WP & AA EXP
Posts: 5,233
US airports are (mostly) government owned. Plenty of privately-owned (or publicly traded, as in the case of my home airport AKL) commercial airports in the world.
There are privately-owned airports and airstrips in the US, but I don't believe there are any (certainly not many, anyway) that provide scheduled commercial flights with any of the major carriers.
There are privately-owned airports and airstrips in the US, but I don't believe there are any (certainly not many, anyway) that provide scheduled commercial flights with any of the major carriers.
#55


Join Date: Jan 2007
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Programs: AA Executive Platinum (but always US in my heart), HH Diamond
Posts: 3,358
[bolding mine]
Spoken like a true FTer!
#56
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 315
US airports are (mostly) government owned. Plenty of privately-owned (or publicly traded, as in the case of my home airport AKL) commercial airports in the world.
There are privately-owned airports and airstrips in the US, but I don't believe there are any (certainly not many, anyway) that provide scheduled commercial flights with any of the major carriers.
There are privately-owned airports and airstrips in the US, but I don't believe there are any (certainly not many, anyway) that provide scheduled commercial flights with any of the major carriers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Branson_Airport
Branson Airport (IATA: BKG, ICAO: KBBG, FAA LID: BBG) is a public use airport located eight nautical miles (15 km) south-southeast of the central business district of Branson, a city in Taney County, Missouri, United States. It is privately owned by Branson Airport, LLC.[1]
Although most U.S. airports use the same three-letter location identifier for the FAA and IATA, this airport is assigned BBG by the FAA and BKG by the IATA[2] (which assigned BBG to Butaritari Atoll Airport in Butaritari, Kiribati[3]).
The airport opened on May 11, 2009. It is currently the only privately owned, privately operated commercial service airport in the United States[4][5][6] as National Express Group Plc. reverted control of Stewart International Airport to the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. As part of the negotiations to create the airport, as a liability shield, and obtain financing, Branson Airport, LLC had to "gift" the land they owned to Taney County, Missouri in order to lease and operate the airport privately.[6]
#57




Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Houston
Posts: 8,957
Local county officials allowed the group to create a transportation district so they could issue tax-free bonds. Though the county initially has no control over the airport, it does own the actual property. And the private investors will hand over operation of the airport itself to the county in 45 years.
#58
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: IAD
Programs: *wood Gold
Posts: 1,780
I just looked at the photograph carefully for the first time. It actually captures the chubby TSO who chased after me looking straight at me, so he must have seen me just as I was about to take it, rather than just after the flash went off. It also shows a second TSO, whom I did not notice at the time, standing at the other side of the gate looking directly at me with his arm moving as if he is about to point at me, and his face and mouth in a very unnatural contortion, as if he is about to shout. I now think that he is the one who shouted. The shout then caused the tubby TSO to reflexively begin the chase.
#60
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 135
OP was lucky not to have been pelted with applesauce confiscated from a 93 year old.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/newss...sauce-tsa.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/newss...sauce-tsa.html

