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DIFIN Jan 28, 2010 5:33 pm


Originally Posted by Yaatri (Post 13276355)
What a despicable and shameful reply. Typical TSA garbage. Is this the training TSA gives? Shame on a TSA employee you for having an attitude like this.
It's a shame that we have people with this attitude living in this country. :mad:
We'll all be metter off if suc people were sent off to G'tmo, ;)
What makes you think I am brown? Do you think only a brown man could have empathy for another brown man? That's an attitude of an ignorant person.
In any case, who are you to tell me to stay home. :mad:

A TSO, after I complained about him opening factory sealed boxs of film, said to me " if you don't like it leave the country".

that was at PDX a few years ago :mad:

Yaatri Jan 28, 2010 6:22 pm


Originally Posted by DIFIN (Post 13277698)
A TSO, after I complained about him opening factory sealed boxs of film, said to me " if you don't like it leave the country".

that was at PDX a few years ago :mad:

:mad:
Now this is called going beyond the call of duty. After 9/11 every one was asking why do they hate us? This attitude is the answer.
LEO forces in general attract people who are on a power trip, but TSA has attracted the worst kind.

Yaatri Jan 28, 2010 6:26 pm

Here is your answer


Originally Posted by Mats (Post 13276339)
According to US Customs, suspicious activity included:

- Traveling with or without baggage
- Traveling in the front, middle, or aft section of the plane
- Traveling alone or with other passengers
- Checking in early, on time, or late
- Being the first to get off the plane, the last to get off the plane, or somewhere in the middle


Originally Posted by Gynob001 (Post 13275475)
What constitutes a suspicious behavior?
1. Leaving package/luggage unattended.
2. Carrying any prohibited items such as firearms/knife etc.
3. Use of threatening language or gestures towards crew/officials.
4. Vandalizing property in order to atrract/dicert attention.
5. Attempting to gain access to restricted areas.
6. Taking pictures/videos of restricted areas or general public/traffic


I am not sure how speaking in foreign language, wearing specific article of clothing, use of restroom, taking pictures of family in the airport, looking outside plane window to see "sights, etc could constitute suspicious behavior.


n4zhg Jan 28, 2010 6:52 pm


Originally Posted by N965VJ (Post 13276563)
:rolleyes:

More and more former visitors to our country are spending their tourism money elsewhere now because of that kind of attitude.

And it's at the very least a major secondary reason why Rio got the Olympics and Chicago got the finger.

N1120A Jan 28, 2010 6:52 pm


Originally Posted by DIFIN (Post 13277698)
A TSO, after I complained about him opening factory sealed boxs of film, said to me " if you don't like it leave the country".

that was at PDX a few years ago :mad:

At that point, I would say "lets speak to your FSD comrade."


Originally Posted by Yaatri (Post 13277916)
:mad:
Now this is called going beyond the call of duty. After 9/11 every one was asking why do they hate us? This attitude is the answer.
LEO forces in general attract people who are on a power trip, but TSA has attracted the worst kind.

That isn't just why "they" hate us. It is why "we" despise cops and pretend cops like the TSA.

PhoenixRev Jan 28, 2010 6:56 pm


Originally Posted by tsadude1 (Post 13276057)
Stay home and dont subject yourself to it then. ;)

Yet another reason why I think the TSA is the worst government agency in existence today.

Yaatri Jan 28, 2010 7:14 pm


Originally Posted by Yaatri (Post 13275986)
BINGO. Passengers thought to behaving suspiciously because they were speaking in a foreign language, wearing a turban or some such thing, going to the lav, or looking out the window and pointing at the Statue of Liberty are always brown skinned, never white or black. When it comes to travelling by air, this group is unfairly penalised. Yet TSA claims there is no profiling. WHat do they take us for?


Originally Posted by tsadude1 (Post 13276057)
Stay home and dont subject yourself to it then. ;)

I would like to highlight this for all to see the bigotry displayed in TSAdude's reply. Infortunatedly there is no dirth of such people in TSA. If TSA had a shred of credibility integrity or wished to serve the purpose that it claims to serve, it would not tolerate such attitude, which, I am sad to say, is not unique to this poster. :td::td::td::td:

He probably expected others, especially bigots who clamour for racial/ethnic profiling, to join him in intimidating brown people. There is none in this thread who shares his view. ^^^^^

Yaatri Jan 28, 2010 7:17 pm


Originally Posted by Yaatri (Post 13275986)
BINGO. Passengers thought to behaving suspiciously because they were speaking in a foreign language, wearing a turban or some such thing, going to the lav, or looking out the window and pointing at the Statue of Liberty are always brown skinned, never white or black. When it comes to travelling by air, this group is unfairly penalised. Yet TSA claims there is no profiling. WHat do they take us for?


Originally Posted by tsadude1 (Post 13276057)
Stay home and dont subject yourself to it then. ;)


Originally Posted by alanR (Post 13276107)
The only profiling is occurring in the mind of the passenger who thinks being brown is suspicious behaviour.

Are you sure? TSAdude proved my point.

halls120 Jan 28, 2010 7:31 pm


Originally Posted by tsadude1 (Post 13276057)
Stay home and dont subject yourself to it then. ;)

If we all stay home, pretty soon you'll be out of work. Ever consider that, smart guy?

oldjonesy Jan 28, 2010 7:58 pm


Originally Posted by Gynob001 (Post 13275475)
What constitutes a suspicious behavior?
1. Leaving package/luggage unattended.
2. Carrying any prohibited items such as firearms/knife etc.
3. Use of threatening language or gestures towards crew/officials.
4. Vandalizing property in order to atrract/dicert attention.
5. Attempting to gain access to restricted areas.
6. Taking pictures/videos of restricted areas or general public/traffic


I am not sure how speaking in foreign language, wearing specific article of clothing, use of restroom, taking pictures of family in the airport, looking outside plane window to see "sights, etc could constitute suspicious behavior.

Not being a sheeple
Flying while excessively brown
Flying while wearing funny clothes
Non christian praying

Just some of the things deemed suspicious

TSO1973 Jan 28, 2010 8:03 pm


Originally Posted by jkhuggins (Post 13275528)
The chief problem, as Schneier points out, is that many people confuse "suspicious" with "unusual". "Unusual" is an easier word to define: anything that doesn't normally happen within the scope of the life experience of the observer.

Usually, things that are "suspicious" are "unusual". However, things that are unusual aren't inherently suspicious. Being "suspicious" requires the ability to assess risk and threat: a property which people are notoriously bad at, unless specifically trained. And most of us (myself included) aren't trained in that regard.

Valid points and to add something, what I think is suspicious, you think is suspicious, and someone else thinks is suspicious can all be very different. That doesn't help things. For example, people taking pictures at an airport is neither suspicious or unusual in general. Now people taking pictures of say, x-ray screens, or LEO locations, or things like that, to me anyway, would be suspicious. But others might disagree.

makfan Jan 29, 2010 12:58 am


Originally Posted by DillMan (Post 13276193)
What an awesome response. Blacks have a hard time getting a fair shake when they are climbing the corporate ladder. Would you recommend they just stay home as well?

Ironically I'm former conservative-cum-libertarian who would argue against most forms of affirmative action and most race-based policies, however, I find this "war-on-brown" we find ourselves in to be not only sickening but also something that is destroying what it means to be an American. If someone like me has this strong of a reaction, I can only wonder how my friends further left feel.

A truly disgusting comment.

+100

alanR Jan 29, 2010 1:12 am


Originally Posted by Mats (Post 13276339)
I actually support some forms of profiling

What forms of profiling?

tsadude1 Jan 29, 2010 1:13 am


Originally Posted by Yaatri (Post 13278192)
I would like to highlight this for all to see the bigotry displayed in TSAdude's reply. Infortunatedly there is no dirth of such people in TSA. If TSA had a shred of credibility integrity or wished to serve the purpose that it claims to serve, it would not tolerate such attitude, which, I am sad to say, is not unique to this poster. :td::td::td::td:

He probably expected others, especially bigots who clamour for racial/ethnic profiling, to join him in intimidating brown people. There is none in this thread who shares his view. ^^^^^

Should I get you some tissue paper? If you have a clear cut case of such profiling as you came, then take it to court or stop your whining. Prove it, just dont cry about it on some forum. Here, Ill even help you get started, http://www.adl.org/ http://www.splcenter.org/index.jsp

C. Howitt Fealz Jan 29, 2010 1:13 am

Doesn't the SOP say photography of checkpoints is perfectly legal, with the exception of the X-ray monitors?


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