Another poorly redacted SSI document.
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How you guys find this stuff is amazing. The case is interesting and I would concur with the experts that the TSO does not have the expertise to speak to the issues. However, the court is right in its ruling that the expertise is not in question, it is the belief that the TSO is being retaliated against for what he has said that holds merit.
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Don't they ever learn from their own mistakes? Silly question. That's been answered several times already. No.
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I guess knowing how poorly the swabs work is not nearly as dangerous as knowing what a Senate ID looks like.
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I've put up another post as well and also alerted a few media folks I was in contact with from the last round I was involved in. The hits just keep on coming. In this case the only sliver of hope for the TSA that I can see is that they didn't publish the document so technically it might not be their fault. But the issue is still very real.
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http://www.mspb.gov/netsearch/viewdo...cation=ACROBAT
I thought they fixed that problem.
Special thanks to Cryptome.
http://cryptome.org/0001/tsa-ssi-02.htm
I am still reading it so I don't know if there is anything juicy yet.
I thought they fixed that problem.
Special thanks to Cryptome.
http://cryptome.org/0001/tsa-ssi-02.htm
I am still reading it so I don't know if there is anything juicy yet.
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I've put up another post as well and also alerted a few media folks I was in contact with from the last round I was involved in. The hits just keep on coming. In this case the only sliver of hope for the TSA that I can see is that they didn't publish the document so technically it might not be their fault. But the issue is still very real.
From the document.
The original unexpurgated version of this Opinion and Order contains Sensitive Security Information (SSI) protected by 49 C.F.R. Parts 15 and 1520. Per agreement between the Merit Systems Protection Board and the Transportation Security Administration (TSA), the TSA has redacted all SSI protected by 49 C.F.R. Parts 15 and 1520 from this version so that it can be made available to the public.
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I have also instructed them that if the agent persists in asking questions the response is to be "I require a lawyer to be present at questioning".
I got my daughter a camera for Christmas, she has been instructed to take as many photos as possible. I have also instructed her on how to react if the agent tries to seize the camera.
Like I said, I am feeling all Rednecky today.
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There's the spot...here's the kick...ouch, right between the uprights!
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I don't know which is scarier:
1. That TSA doesn't have the brains/talent to properly redact what it considers to be SSI;
2. That the unredacted info in this doc shows what pathetic security measures are being used with checked luggage; or
3. That TK is feeling red-necky today! (Watch out!)
1. That TSA doesn't have the brains/talent to properly redact what it considers to be SSI;
2. That the unredacted info in this doc shows what pathetic security measures are being used with checked luggage; or
3. That TK is feeling red-necky today! (Watch out!)
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I don't know which is scarier:
1. That TSA doesn't have the brains/talent to properly redact what it considers to be SSI;
2. That the unredacted info in this doc shows what pathetic security measures are being used with checked luggage; or
3. That TK is feeling red-necky today! (Watch out!)
1. That TSA doesn't have the brains/talent to properly redact what it considers to be SSI;
2. That the unredacted info in this doc shows what pathetic security measures are being used with checked luggage; or
3. That TK is feeling red-necky today! (Watch out!)

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Please note that the term redneck comes from the WV coal miners who were ambushed by machine gun fire while trying to organize for better working conditions and wages. They wore red kerchiefs to identify themselves.
"By 1920, coal miners had started to organize via labor unions. The Battle for West Virginia's Blair Mountain in 1921 occurred when a group of 10,000 coal miners fought for their right to organize and improve working conditions. They marched against armed Federal troops in what became the largest armed conflict on American soil following the Civil War. The solidarity that developed helped the union organize conditions in the coalfields.
To identify themselves, the Blair Mountain miners wore red kerchiefs around their necks. The documentary suggests these kerchiefs were the origin of the term redneck.
According to the Sierra Club Newsletter, Blair Mountain was shut down in 1999 and has lost all original forest and mountain topography. The modern, cheaper method of mining lops a mountaintop off its base.
The Blair Mountain site was owned by Arch Coal Company and is located near Logan, West Virginia. Kenny King, a West Virginian descended from miners who fought the Battle of Blair Mountain, has spent years documenting artifacts from the 1,600-acre site and is attempting the battlefield listed on the Natural register of Historical Places."
Quoted from: http://www.helium.com/items/632199-w...rginia-culture
"By 1920, coal miners had started to organize via labor unions. The Battle for West Virginia's Blair Mountain in 1921 occurred when a group of 10,000 coal miners fought for their right to organize and improve working conditions. They marched against armed Federal troops in what became the largest armed conflict on American soil following the Civil War. The solidarity that developed helped the union organize conditions in the coalfields.
To identify themselves, the Blair Mountain miners wore red kerchiefs around their necks. The documentary suggests these kerchiefs were the origin of the term redneck.
According to the Sierra Club Newsletter, Blair Mountain was shut down in 1999 and has lost all original forest and mountain topography. The modern, cheaper method of mining lops a mountaintop off its base.
The Blair Mountain site was owned by Arch Coal Company and is located near Logan, West Virginia. Kenny King, a West Virginian descended from miners who fought the Battle of Blair Mountain, has spent years documenting artifacts from the 1,600-acre site and is attempting the battlefield listed on the Natural register of Historical Places."
Quoted from: http://www.helium.com/items/632199-w...rginia-culture
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Please note that the term redneck comes from the WV coal miners who were ambushed by machine gun fire while trying to organize for better working conditions and wages. They wore red kerchiefs to identify themselves.
"By 1920, coal miners had started to organize via labor unions. The Battle for West Virginia's Blair Mountain in 1921 occurred when a group of 10,000 coal miners fought for their right to organize and improve working conditions. They marched against armed Federal troops in what became the largest armed conflict on American soil following the Civil War. The solidarity that developed helped the union organize conditions in the coalfields.
To identify themselves, the Blair Mountain miners wore red kerchiefs around their necks. The documentary suggests these kerchiefs were the origin of the term redneck.
According to the Sierra Club Newsletter, Blair Mountain was shut down in 1999 and has lost all original forest and mountain topography. The modern, cheaper method of mining lops a mountaintop off its base.
The Blair Mountain site was owned by Arch Coal Company and is located near Logan, West Virginia. Kenny King, a West Virginian descended from miners who fought the Battle of Blair Mountain, has spent years documenting artifacts from the 1,600-acre site and is attempting the battlefield listed on the Natural register of Historical Places."
Quoted from: http://www.helium.com/items/632199-w...rginia-culture
"By 1920, coal miners had started to organize via labor unions. The Battle for West Virginia's Blair Mountain in 1921 occurred when a group of 10,000 coal miners fought for their right to organize and improve working conditions. They marched against armed Federal troops in what became the largest armed conflict on American soil following the Civil War. The solidarity that developed helped the union organize conditions in the coalfields.
To identify themselves, the Blair Mountain miners wore red kerchiefs around their necks. The documentary suggests these kerchiefs were the origin of the term redneck.
According to the Sierra Club Newsletter, Blair Mountain was shut down in 1999 and has lost all original forest and mountain topography. The modern, cheaper method of mining lops a mountaintop off its base.
The Blair Mountain site was owned by Arch Coal Company and is located near Logan, West Virginia. Kenny King, a West Virginian descended from miners who fought the Battle of Blair Mountain, has spent years documenting artifacts from the 1,600-acre site and is attempting the battlefield listed on the Natural register of Historical Places."
Quoted from: http://www.helium.com/items/632199-w...rginia-culture

