Superguy

Funny, the kettles were never an issue prior to 9/11. I never had to wait more than a few minutes even at hub airports with nonpax going thru.

It's not the kettles so much that slow down security, it's TSA with its stupidity. Nonpax going thru right now are a nonstarter because of it, not because they slow down the line.

mozgytog

Actually all they need is a bootleg copy of Acrobat and an actual ID.

No need to buy refundable plane tickets when you can generate as many print-at-home boarding passes as you want. Just have to make sure the details are valid for the airport you're trying to get into.

reamworks

Why a bootleg copy? Can't they go pay for a copy? Why are you promoting theft?

raistlin

ID checks happen at the gate in almost every other country in the world, so you know ;-)

Theft and copying of software are two very different things and it's quite depressing to see them thrown in one bucket, but please let's not get so COMPLETELY off topic, thanks.

pacer142

This is the procedure in much of the rest of the world, and it doesn't delay things substantially. In the UK, for instance, security do not check ID at all, just that you have a valid boarding pass.

Neil

TSORon

In the UK they dont even have a mandate for people to have ID or a drivers license even when driving. And they seemed proud of that. Interesting.

halls120

And how many airplanes have been taken over by terrorists in the UK because of this egregious lapse of security?

TSORon

Look it up.

http://www.start.umd.edu/gtd/

cody77

It seems we may have someone that actually works for the TSA in this discussion. We just really need to let security go back to the way it was before, PERIOD. About 30 seconds in line, throw your keys and coins in a little basket, put your bag through x-ray, walk through the metal detector, and be on your way. One terrible attack, out of nearly 100 years of flying throughs us into this panic state. Why does it seem this organization forgets that box-cutters were allowed on planes before 9/11, so if security saw them, they wouldn't have taken them away. I put my faith more in the FBI and CIA to catch terrorist before they get to the airport, than some $8.50 per hour TSA agent telling me to take my shoes off and put liquids in a stupid zip-lock bag. If I knew I was never going to fly again, for my last flight, I would make that security officer sorry I was flying that day.

"You mean I have to take my shoes off?"
"Both of them?"
"Can you help me, I just had back surgery and can't bend over to take them off."
"Man that smells bad, since my back surgery, I haven't been able to wash my feet in the shower and I have a little foot rash"
"Shampoo and toothpaste? Yeah, I just made a trip to Sam's club and bought a years worth." All this while I hold up the line 30 minutes.

mozgytog

Not at all. Just figuring that people who are willing to sneak into an airport on a fake boarding pass to steal stuff are willing to pirate some software. Real, licensed Acrobat will work just as well.

So amend that to 'a copy of Acrobat'.

N830MH

Yes, could be travel fraudulent who gotten fake BP and fake identifications is not real proper name. If you see someone who having a fake BP. TSA will notify the police and it is subject to get arrestable on these people who is trying sneaks through into the aircraft without scanned the BP & reservations number, too.

mozgytog

I was just saying that if someone's goal was to get into an airport so they could steal things from passengers, they wouldn't really need to buy a refundable ticket. They could just 'shop themselves a boarding pass.

It wasn't that they want to get on the plane, just past TSA where they can swipe things from luggage.

mre5765

Family of returning members of armed forces can get gate passes today.
Anyway, I think anyone willing to pay say $5 should be able to get a gate pass.

cody77

Man, you shouldn't have said that. Now all the extra fees aren't only going to be provided by the airlines, but the airports too. Haha. But seriously, as I said before, my property taxes are paying for our town's new terminal. Just because we have about ten flights a day, the idiots that run our town think we're JFK all of a sudden. But that's another story. Anyway, if I'm paying for it, my feelings are I should be able to visit it, for free, flying or not.