XKCD takes on TSA
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A couple of reasons.
1. Airlines know that if they want to stay in business, that they better not get its frequent fliers mad (remember the ratio of about 30% of an average plane's load makes up about 70% of the airlines' revenue).
2. The TSA knows they can appease airport management by banning the water, thus forcing sales of the $4.00 bottle of water at Hudson News (where each airport ends up, in the long run, getting a cut of).
It's just proof positive that in the long run, capitalism has long superseded airport "security."
1. Airlines know that if they want to stay in business, that they better not get its frequent fliers mad (remember the ratio of about 30% of an average plane's load makes up about 70% of the airlines' revenue).
2. The TSA knows they can appease airport management by banning the water, thus forcing sales of the $4.00 bottle of water at Hudson News (where each airport ends up, in the long run, getting a cut of).
It's just proof positive that in the long run, capitalism has long superseded airport "security."
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Firstly, you guys rock! Just wanted to post this pic from XKCD. It really says it all about the TSA...
I disagree on this one: I have often times bought perfumes and other liquids on airports (mostly since I'm too disorganized to other stuff done) ever since the liquid ban I'm not buying anything any longer. Too many times I experienced that the "super sealed" bag was not admitted in Europe / the US (depending on where you fly from) and had to be disposed of. And ever since the TSA suspected my cheese to be a weapon(!) and considered a glass of jam dangerous enough to qualify for immediate destruction I gave up hope and just stopped buying stuff.
I disagree on this one: I have often times bought perfumes and other liquids on airports (mostly since I'm too disorganized to other stuff done) ever since the liquid ban I'm not buying anything any longer. Too many times I experienced that the "super sealed" bag was not admitted in Europe / the US (depending on where you fly from) and had to be disposed of. And ever since the TSA suspected my cheese to be a weapon(!) and considered a glass of jam dangerous enough to qualify for immediate destruction I gave up hope and just stopped buying stuff.
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If the airlines and the airports support this nonsense in the way they do, they can do without the thousands of dollars they have lost over the past three years from my wallet alone.
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I disagree on this one: I have often times bought perfumes and other liquids on airports (mostly since I'm too disorganized to other stuff done) ever since the liquid ban I'm not buying anything any longer. Too many times I experienced that the "super sealed" bag was not admitted in Europe / the US (depending on where you fly from) and had to be disposed of. And ever since the TSA suspected my cheese to be a weapon(!) and considered a glass of jam dangerous enough to qualify for immediate destruction I gave up hope and just stopped buying stuff.
Until then, I'm going to climb aboard the Spiff bandwagon and tell them to go pound sand.
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I just want to be able to fly out of Puerto Vallarta without having my water mugged from me at the gate. You can't buy water, you can't fill up empty bottles -- you are simply not allowed to bring water on the plane, and until that changes, I'm not flying to Mexico again. I can't go 2-3 hours with only a tiny cupfull of water, refilled only if the FA has time and the inclination to do so.
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Because if liquids were really a threat, all you have to do is send 5 guys through security instead of 1, and then combine their liquids on the other side.
Also for the reasons outlined here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/20...rport-security
Schneier makes some very good points in his article. If you try to bring a gun or hand grenade on a plane, and you're detected, the contraband will be confiscated and you'll be arrested. This is because these items are considered a potential threat.
However, if you try to bring a jar of spaghetti sauce on board, and you're detected, the contraband will be confiscated. This is because spaghetti sauce is considered a potential threat. However you won't be arrested - The sauce will be thrown away and you'll be sent on your way.
Why not? Apparently the gun and the spaghetti sauce are both threats - Why is the accused perp treated differently with these two threatening items?
Because you're not arrested with spaghetti sauce, if you're a terrorist you can keep trying over and over again until you get through with your jar of sauce, because there's no consquences to your action, unlike with a gun.
Also for the reasons outlined here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/20...rport-security
Schneier makes some very good points in his article. If you try to bring a gun or hand grenade on a plane, and you're detected, the contraband will be confiscated and you'll be arrested. This is because these items are considered a potential threat.
However, if you try to bring a jar of spaghetti sauce on board, and you're detected, the contraband will be confiscated. This is because spaghetti sauce is considered a potential threat. However you won't be arrested - The sauce will be thrown away and you'll be sent on your way.
Why not? Apparently the gun and the spaghetti sauce are both threats - Why is the accused perp treated differently with these two threatening items?
Because you're not arrested with spaghetti sauce, if you're a terrorist you can keep trying over and over again until you get through with your jar of sauce, because there's no consquences to your action, unlike with a gun.
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Schneier makes some very good points in his article. If you try to bring a gun or hand grenade on a plane, and you're detected, the contraband will be confiscated and you'll be arrested. This is because these items are considered a potential threat.
However, if you try to bring a jar of spaghetti sauce on board, and you're detected, the contraband will be confiscated. This is because spaghetti sauce is considered a potential threat. However you won't be arrested - The sauce will be thrown away and you'll be sent on your way.
Why not? Apparently the gun and the spaghetti sauce are both threats - Why is the accused perp treated differently with these two threatening items?
Because you're not arrested with spaghetti sauce, if you're a terrorist you can keep trying over and over again until you get through with your jar of sauce, because there's no consquences to your action, unlike with a gun.
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Because if liquids were really a threat, all you have to do is send 5 guys through security instead of 1, and then combine their liquids on the other side.
Also for the reasons outlined here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/20...rport-security
Schneier makes some very good points in his article. If you try to bring a gun or hand grenade on a plane, and you're detected, the contraband will be confiscated and you'll be arrested. This is because these items are considered a potential threat.
However, if you try to bring a jar of spaghetti sauce on board, and you're detected, the contraband will be confiscated. This is because spaghetti sauce is considered a potential threat. However you won't be arrested - The sauce will be thrown away and you'll be sent on your way.
Why not? Apparently the gun and the spaghetti sauce are both threats - Why is the accused perp treated differently with these two threatening items?
Because you're not arrested with spaghetti sauce, if you're a terrorist you can keep trying over and over again until you get through with your jar of sauce, because there's no consquences to your action, unlike with a gun.
Also for the reasons outlined here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/20...rport-security
Schneier makes some very good points in his article. If you try to bring a gun or hand grenade on a plane, and you're detected, the contraband will be confiscated and you'll be arrested. This is because these items are considered a potential threat.
However, if you try to bring a jar of spaghetti sauce on board, and you're detected, the contraband will be confiscated. This is because spaghetti sauce is considered a potential threat. However you won't be arrested - The sauce will be thrown away and you'll be sent on your way.
Why not? Apparently the gun and the spaghetti sauce are both threats - Why is the accused perp treated differently with these two threatening items?
Because you're not arrested with spaghetti sauce, if you're a terrorist you can keep trying over and over again until you get through with your jar of sauce, because there's no consquences to your action, unlike with a gun.
If the TSA is concerned that my bottle of Fuji water is a bomb or can be mixed to become a bomb, then why is my Fuji thrown into a normal trash can with all of the other bombs?
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I just want to be able to fly out of Puerto Vallarta without having my water mugged from me at the gate. You can't buy water, you can't fill up empty bottles -- you are simply not allowed to bring water on the plane, and until that changes, I'm not flying to Mexico again. I can't go 2-3 hours with only a tiny cupfull of water, refilled only if the FA has time and the inclination to do so.
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