Fighting Invasive Imaging at the State and Local Level
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Fighting Invasive Imaging at the State and Local Level
Just a thought here: Getting any changes out of Congress (esp. in a timely fashion) is a long shot. However, virtually all airports are locally owned. We should be lobbying city, county & state governments to provide reasonable disclosures (including the TSA's own sample MMW images
) in close proximity to the TSA checkpoint at airports. Since access to the checkpoints supposedly is control by the airport & airlines, sample images could be mandated for everyone lining up at a MMW. As long as the information is neutral and accurate, including the right to decline invasive imaging, TSA can't legitimately argue that it is "interfering" with the screeing -- especially since it would be their own sample images that are given out.
I can't see Congress doing diddlysquat here, but I can see a number of state & local governments getting worked up over the prospect of pedophiles & perverts looking at their wives and children naked.
This could even be pursued by individuals in states which allow voter initiatives.
) in close proximity to the TSA checkpoint at airports. Since access to the checkpoints supposedly is control by the airport & airlines, sample images could be mandated for everyone lining up at a MMW. As long as the information is neutral and accurate, including the right to decline invasive imaging, TSA can't legitimately argue that it is "interfering" with the screeing -- especially since it would be their own sample images that are given out.I can't see Congress doing diddlysquat here, but I can see a number of state & local governments getting worked up over the prospect of pedophiles & perverts looking at their wives and children naked.
This could even be pursued by individuals in states which allow voter initiatives.
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A good place to begin might be with voyeurism laws, given the issues that people have had with hidden cameras.
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What kind of jurisdiction do states have over the TSA (or federal agencies/employees in general)?
Do state speed laws apply to TSA employees driving gov't owned vehicles? What if the employee is headed to an airport for an emergency terminal dump because of a stray water bottle? How about state safety laws (e.g. zoning, construction codes, workplace safety, etc.)?
Can a TSA employee be arrested on state charges for fondling a traveler, or are they completely immune from state & local laws while on the job?
Do state speed laws apply to TSA employees driving gov't owned vehicles? What if the employee is headed to an airport for an emergency terminal dump because of a stray water bottle? How about state safety laws (e.g. zoning, construction codes, workplace safety, etc.)?
Can a TSA employee be arrested on state charges for fondling a traveler, or are they completely immune from state & local laws while on the job?
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What kind of jurisdiction do states have over the TSA (or federal agencies/employees in general)?
Do state speed laws apply to TSA employees driving gov't owned vehicles? What if the employee is headed to an airport for an emergency terminal dump because of a stray water bottle? How about state safety laws (e.g. zoning, construction codes, workplace safety, etc.)?
Can a TSA employee be arrested on state charges for fondling a traveler, or are they completely immune from state & local laws while on the job?
Do state speed laws apply to TSA employees driving gov't owned vehicles? What if the employee is headed to an airport for an emergency terminal dump because of a stray water bottle? How about state safety laws (e.g. zoning, construction codes, workplace safety, etc.)?
Can a TSA employee be arrested on state charges for fondling a traveler, or are they completely immune from state & local laws while on the job?
2. Yes
3. All apply
4. Still must follow state law, unless there is federal law that trumps. So unless Congress passes the "Keeping America Safe Through Fondling Authorization and Appropriation Act of 2009" you'll be fine.
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Why does Congress (the beginning of far too many stupid questions) admit it has no power over interstate driving, yet claim it has power over intrastate flying? Can one to start an intra-state airline and ignore the TSA?
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That makes sense when applied to cars traveling on highways, yet the feds implicitly accept that they do not have this power (by way of the "no money if you don't submit to our DUI standards" blackmail).
Why does Congress (the beginning of far too many stupid questions) admit it has no power over interstate driving, yet claim it has power over intrastate flying? Can one to start an intra-state airline and ignore the TSA?
Why does Congress (the beginning of far too many stupid questions) admit it has no power over interstate driving, yet claim it has power over intrastate flying? Can one to start an intra-state airline and ignore the TSA?
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