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Old Sep 29, 2009 | 7:52 am
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Info Requested With Secure Flight - screenshot

For those of you who have not been introduced to SecureFlight, I thought I'd share this screenshot with you.

This is how it works on Delta.com when purchasing a ticket.

1) Select Flights
2) Provide Passenger Name and Payment Info
3) Select Purchase

After you purchase, you will get your purchase confirmation and the screen will read:

Your purchase is complete. Thank you for choosing Delta.
Flight Confirmation Number: PNR123

What's Next

Now that you've finished booking your trip:

In order to comply with the Transportation Security Administration's Secure Flight Program,
Delta is now collecting additional data for all passengers.
Provide your Secure Flight Passenger Data now.
Once you click on the "Provide your Secure Flight Passenger Data Now", a JS window appears on top of the existing screen for data collection:


Note: If your ID only has a middle initial, the Secure Flight screen does not accept the middle initial, only full names. For example, my drivers license only uses my middle initial, while my passport includes my full middle name.

If you're unlucky enough to have the same name, date of birth, and be of the same gender of a "bad guy/gal" -- they even provide space for a "Redress Number":


Just thought I'd share this for those who haven't booked on a carrier that has requested you surrender this info to Big Brother.
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Old Sep 29, 2009 | 8:34 am
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Delta's not displaying a field for "known traveller", or does DL not have one of the sort the TSA wanted earlier on and may want again down the road?
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Old Sep 29, 2009 | 8:38 am
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They do not seem to care about a suffix such as Jr., III etc. I am a "III" and my DL does not have it but my passport does.
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Old Sep 29, 2009 | 1:31 pm
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This form does not seem to take into account that many people (myself included) have more than one middle name, as printed out on their government-issued ID.

On another point, as far as I understand the system, this is a nice way for people who know they are on watch lists to escape further scrutiny. They should register with their full name as on the ID they plan to present, but a fake date of birth (so they don't match the hit list). Since the date of birth is not on the boarding pass, it does not matter, and ensures an event-free trip.
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Old Sep 29, 2009 | 5:19 pm
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Originally Posted by GUWonder
Delta's not displaying a field for "known traveller", or does DL not have one of the sort the TSA wanted earlier on and may want again down the road?
No type of known traveler program incorporated into SecureFlight via the delta website.

On the bright side, at least Delta isn't charging a fee yet to "transmit" your data to the TSA! (er, better not give them any ideas...)
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Old Sep 29, 2009 | 5:33 pm
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Originally Posted by BubbaLoop
This form does not seem to take into account that many people (myself included) have more than one middle name, as printed out on their government-issued ID.

On another point, as far as I understand the system, this is a nice way for people who know they are on watch lists to escape further scrutiny. They should register with their full name as on the ID they plan to present, but a fake date of birth (so they don't match the hit list). Since the date of birth is not on the boarding pass, it does not matter, and ensures an event-free trip.
I notice that. While I don't have two middle names or two last names, how is the system supposed to apply to those from Latin America where it is common to have two last names?

It seems there are a number of shortcomings such as the name fields, but I suspect that was all TSA designed & thus "Americanized" without much thought given for other cultures, let alone someone who might be a JR, SR, or the III'd.
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Old Sep 29, 2009 | 11:17 pm
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So, is this how we apply for government permission to travel ( transit visa?)
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Old Sep 30, 2009 | 9:02 pm
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I wonder what happens if you just don't fill out this web page?
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Old Oct 1, 2009 | 8:58 am
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Originally Posted by SDF_Traveler
I notice that. While I don't have two middle names or two last names, how is the system supposed to apply to those from Latin America where it is common to have two last names?

It seems there are a number of shortcomings such as the name fields, but I suspect that was all TSA designed & thus "Americanized" without much thought given for other cultures, let alone someone who might be a JR, SR, or the III'd.
Plus Asian cultures where the family name comes first.

And cultures that only assign a single name to an individual.

Somebody sure screwed the pooch on the requirements definition for this project.
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Old Oct 1, 2009 | 9:30 am
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Somebody sure screwed the pooch on the requirements definition for this project.
That's what happens when someone from DHS, who is so short-sighted as to not be able to recognize that there are cultures in the world different than ours in the U.S., writes policy.
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Old Oct 1, 2009 | 10:27 am
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Originally Posted by Oxb
They do not seem to care about a suffix such as Jr., III etc. I am a "III" and my DL does not have it but my passport does.
Read TSA's own rules on Secure Fright names. (thanks to the OP for this link)

As noted on page 1 (page 4 of the pdf) you get a first, middle, and last name data field, 35 characters each. Only dash ( - ) and single quote ( ' ) allowed as numeric characters. "Do not include suffixes (e.g., jr.). Truncate names longer than 35 characters."

The US centric view of the TSA drones is sickening. They assume everyone in the world has a nice US Anglo type name: "John Allen Whitfield." First Middle Last, no punctuation except a (') like "O"Donnell", and better add a (-) for the hyphenated modern marriage names "Whitfield-Jones". But that's it. None of them funny furreign names wanted or allowed.
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Old Oct 1, 2009 | 4:45 pm
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Originally Posted by El Cochinito
Plus Asian cultures where the family name comes first.

And cultures that only assign a single name to an individual.

Somebody sure screwed the pooch on the requirements definition for this project.
Yeah. How are Madonna, Bono, and Sting supposed to travel now?
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Old Oct 2, 2009 | 1:48 am
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Yeah. How are Madonna, Bono, and Sting supposed to travel now?
Or people who have just used symbols for their name like Prince used to?
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Old Oct 2, 2009 | 2:17 am
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Yeah. How are Madonna, Bono, and Sting supposed to travel now?

Originally Posted by Superguy
Or people who have just used symbols for their name like Prince used to?
Non-commercial.
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Old Oct 2, 2009 | 5:08 am
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Given that my name barely fits on the boarding pass before adding a middle name, I fail to see how a good many people's boarding passes will match exactly their ID.
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