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Oct 3, 2009 | 3:59 am

#31

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Originally Posted by DIFIN

Iremember after WWII the books that came out about how could a country like Germany could become Nazi. How could the people let it happen?

Well here we are 60+ years later. Are we any different?

We're different in that we have an example that should serve as a warning. Whether it does or not, well, ...

Oct 3, 2009 | 6:28 am

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Originally Posted by daniellam

I don't know how many time I have said this in other threads relating to this topic, but this is how it happens:

- The data your provide for SecureFlight is used BEHIND THE SCENES where the airline's computer system transmits to the the TSA before you even check-in. The TSA matches this information against their no-fly lists and sends either an "OK to fly", or "Not OK to Fly" message back to the airline.

- If the airline receives an "OK to fly" message from the TSA, then you will be able to receive your boarding pass (even if the name on the boarding pass does not show your middle name etc.).

- If the airline receives a "Not OK to Fly" message from the TSA, then you won't be receiving your boarding pass to begin with!! (As the airline would not be able to issue you a boarding pass). If this happens to you, then you will have to apply for a "redress number" that you can use in the future when you fly.

I'm quite aware of this and I know what "SecureFlight" is.

However, if the "Secure Flight" data is never validated, what is the point in collecting it and passing it onto the TSA? How exactly does this improve security?

I might as well use ROCKS for my middle name, and perhaps a typo here and a typo when it comes to my birthdate, or accidentally hit the wrong gender because the data isn't validated anywhere in the check-in process.

There is no validation procedure for US domestic travel, other than the off chance that an airline CSR might check your ID against the SSR DOCS field.

Oct 3, 2009 | 6:48 am

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Blogger Bob has within the past few hours, written this on the newest thread, the puppy post for the week:

"-If you are able to purchase a ticket, you are not on the No Fly list"

Oct 4, 2009 | 7:22 am

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DIFIN

Iremember after WWII the books that came out about how could a country like Germany could become Nazi. How could the people let it happen?

Well here we are 60+ years later. Are we any different?

I was thinking the same thing this week as I viewed the exhibit about Hitler's rise to power at the Dachau Concentration Camp.

Before anyone tries to invoke Godwin's Law, how could anyone visiting a place like that NOT think about one's own country and consider where it's at in relation to that?

Oct 4, 2009 | 7:24 am

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Originally Posted by daniellam

Right on Superguy!

Finally somebody understands the real idea behind SecureFlight.

That doesn't mean it's a GOOD idea.

Oct 4, 2009 | 3:12 pm

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Originally Posted by bocastephen

Having a bar code on a boarding pass is not a requirement at this time. Boarding passes issued at the counter on legacy stock rarely have bar codes on most airlines.

There is nothing to stop someone from printing their BP at home, changing the content, printing a new copy and just slicing off the bar code.

I had a real problem at ORD (that required a SUP) because I had a boarding pass issued at LHR that did not have a bar code.