Simon

Says who?

I am not bad mouthing their service or their planes, neither have any of the other correspondents on this thread, from the beginning, who ARE LARGELY TALKING ABOUT THIS AIRLINE'S VIABILITY.

If you want to talk about how you love their seats and their drinks, by all means, but don't try to shout down people who are having a discussion about the company's merits who were doing so long before you showed up on the thread.

Really. That's funny, given you have attested that their costs MUST be much lower than Air Canada's, and that they are going to be very successful because their planes are (maybe) full and they have good service. Someone points out that those two factors largely don't make or break an airline, and it is like the sky has fallen.

I don't care if people fly them or not, I work for no airline. I, and others, were talking about their business plan and so on long before they launched business, and we have any right to continue doing so.

If you don't like it, start another thread entitled "OT: Porter has great service" or some such, and feel free to ignore the rest of our posts.

Simon

YOWkid

It's called product differentiation marketed really well.

Why people in quotations?

Simon

In reality: because they have to, or they go bankrupt, because they are undercut price-wise by LCC that don't have the underlying cost structures, staffing and otherwise, of the big legacy airlines.

Simon

fishermanbob

Well, I am sure there are dumber things one could do in that context.

If you are a member of Aeroplan it's so you can get benefits and if you can get business class service from a more convenient location by giving up 500 AP points I fail to see the dumbness of doing so. It's about service.

And to Simon: You are right - there are two conversations going on here. One about Porter's business plan and one about their service. However some comments here have appeared to say don't use Porter because they won't last forever which is like saying don't get married because that person will die some day. Others appear to say don't use Porter because we don't like how they got their financing. Both are irrelevnt to the service discussion.

Time will tell whether Porter is viable in the long term and no amount of discussion here will change that. However we know today that they offer a far superior service to AC and to the average passenger that's all that counts.

imverge

The cuts were/are made because the airlines know they can get away with it. I'm sure if AC Jazz ever gets back into YTZ you best believe they will open a new lounge and introduce similar service products... why? one word PORTER.

imverge

How much money has AC made since it came out of bankruptcy? I think they can afford to add complimentary snacks/light meals on flights. AC takes advantage or as Milton has stated in the past "exploits" every possible avenue to generate revenue, including VOD.

imverge

Refer to post 349...And to Simon:

Simon

And you guys can go on talking about the service to your heart's content.

But having posters tell the rest of us we have "no right" etc. to comment on the company's viability flies in the face of the purpose of this site.

We don't "know" anything. It is your opinion, and the opinion of some others.

How people rate a company's service offering may vary wildly from person to person.

And there is nothing to say that Porter's service, should it continue, will remain at the level it is today forever. It could get better, worse, or stay the same.

Simon

Simon

Key phrase above: "I think".

And what if the route is not successful, and the "light meals", which airlines throughout NA do not offer on routes of this length are the cost that does it? You'll then complain they are nickle and diming.

And they are, and should, do whatever they can to ensure they don't re-enter bankruptcy protection after the next terrorist, health, or financial scare hits the airline market.

AC had better exploit every possible avenue to generate revenue. It would be a breach of their responsibility to shareholders otherwise.

Simon

Simon

LOL.

Yes, I am sure this would happen. WS opens lounges wherever they compete with AC. NW, DL and CO all have lounges at YYZ.

The cuts were made because the airlines know they can get away with it -- how many airlines have been in bankruptcy protection in the last three years? THIS is why they have to cut services. Because mom & pop want low fares, which means lower revenues, which means costs have to come down.

Simon

imverge

That the difference... I am NOT a shareholder I am a customer. I don't care for the airlines share price I only care for their flight price

imverge

So what's the reason PORTER opened a new lounge?... they have no competition at YTZ?

The airlines will always cry poor no matter what. When AC gets those new 777's and they save big on fuel do you think they are going to pass along the saving to the customer? NO. They will continue to cut...

AC entered into bankruptcy because they swallowed more than they could chew with Canadian Airlines. Trying to squeeze another player out of the market... Just like they will try and do with PORTER.

Simon

Keep on mixing those economic and "I'm just a passenger" arguments.

You think businesses can enter bankruptcy protection without real financial problems behind them?

This discussion is pointless, as the argument is obviously stuck on the belief that legacy airlines are out to screw you, that they are all doing swimmingly well and not one recession away from a tumble, and that Porter, despite its "arrangement" with the airport landlord at YTZ is a shining beacon of customer friendly happiness and business ethics.

Canadian Airlines. Ha. Try SARS, 9/11 and the high tech collapse.

Enjoy it while it lasts.

Simon

Cargoagent

Best to give it up. There will always be those that simply refuse to see a correlation between the emergence of the LCC's and the cuts in service levels with the legacy carriers. Survival is the key word. Adapt or die.

The majority of passengers have made it clear that they are willing to give up service to get a cheaper seat.

Deluce doesn't need to make any numbers public, but there are smart enough people out there to make a good estimate given the known costs of acft, airports etc.


Best wishes to those that are enjoying Porter but please don't go legacy bashing if they close up shop because they really aren't turning a profit with the fares they charge and the services they offer.

The Lev

Great to see the two sides finally agreeing on something!