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Ukraine Int’l 737-800 (PS752 IKA-KBP) crashes on takeoff from Tehran, 8 January 2020
Jan 13, 2020, 1:56 am
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But in general you'd need to contact the airline to know their policy the European authorities leaves it up to the individual airline.
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Jan 13, 2020, 9:23 pm
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Flights between Russia and Dubai are flying over Iran still. Russian carriers and otherwise.
QR isn’t really messed up by this incident way more than say EK or EY. All three of these carriers are flying over regional areas subject to US advisories for US carriers to avoid in the region, and QR has already made its peace in ways with flying somewhat more convoluted routes than the other carriers.
Ukraine had some of its own government employees sent to go around the crash site on the day of the missiles being fired at the UIA plane, and some of them may have got photos of their own within a few hours of the incident grabbing headlines. The Iranian government facilitated the Ukrainians’ access to the relevant areas with plane debris on the very day of the incident. I am inquiring next week into any access provided to the Swedish government employees in Iran between the time of this incident and January 9th, but it seems to have not been prioritized in the way the Ukrainian’s access was early on.
I would be curious to know which relatives (if any) of the Iranian victims may have been allowed some direct or indirect access to the debris-hit area on the day of this incident. I know the following from my own experience of dealing with relatives killed in aviation disasters: it’s not all that unusual for some well-connected relatives of the suspected victims (or surrogates for such) to manage to get access to the crash site area where belongings and/or bodies/body parts of victims may be moved to or be at on the day of a crash. And the special access is at times granted even to those who are not relevant government authorities of any sort. Disaster site control measures and victim-related-visitor-excluding measures for disaster sites aren’t uniform around the world. At least not in practice.
QR isn’t really messed up by this incident way more than say EK or EY. All three of these carriers are flying over regional areas subject to US advisories for US carriers to avoid in the region, and QR has already made its peace in ways with flying somewhat more convoluted routes than the other carriers.
Ukraine had some of its own government employees sent to go around the crash site on the day of the missiles being fired at the UIA plane, and some of them may have got photos of their own within a few hours of the incident grabbing headlines. The Iranian government facilitated the Ukrainians’ access to the relevant areas with plane debris on the very day of the incident. I am inquiring next week into any access provided to the Swedish government employees in Iran between the time of this incident and January 9th, but it seems to have not been prioritized in the way the Ukrainian’s access was early on.
I would be curious to know which relatives (if any) of the Iranian victims may have been allowed some direct or indirect access to the debris-hit area on the day of this incident. I know the following from my own experience of dealing with relatives killed in aviation disasters: it’s not all that unusual for some well-connected relatives of the suspected victims (or surrogates for such) to manage to get access to the crash site area where belongings and/or bodies/body parts of victims may be moved to or be at on the day of a crash. And the special access is at times granted even to those who are not relevant government authorities of any sort. Disaster site control measures and victim-related-visitor-excluding measures for disaster sites aren’t uniform around the world. At least not in practice.
Jan 14, 2020, 6:51 am
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Update: the following may be incorrect, as there are suggestions that the video was from a different incident.
There is cell phone camera footage that was recorded from inside the UIA plane’s passenger cabin while the plane is on fire. Some of it is now making public rounds.
Hearing the cries and prayers of some female passengers on board the burning plane while a seat belt sign-on/off kind of sound repeats is part of the most publicly shared video footage of this sort so far from this incident.
Not sure if this video was recorded on the phone first and then sent as a message or if it was live-streamed from the plane. [It didn’t come from Iranian government’s phone surveillance capabilities.] I am suspecting that there may have also been some passenger phone calls/use attempted from the plane while it was on fire.
There is cell phone camera footage that was recorded from inside the UIA plane’s passenger cabin while the plane is on fire. Some of it is now making public rounds.
Hearing the cries and prayers of some female passengers on board the burning plane while a seat belt sign-on/off kind of sound repeats is part of the most publicly shared video footage of this sort so far from this incident.
Not sure if this video was recorded on the phone first and then sent as a message or if it was live-streamed from the plane. [It didn’t come from Iranian government’s phone surveillance capabilities.] I am suspecting that there may have also been some passenger phone calls/use attempted from the plane while it was on fire.
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Jan 14, 2020, 7:06 am
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There is cell phone camera footage that was recorded from inside the UIA plane’s passenger cabin while the plane is on fire. Some of it is now making public rounds.
Hearing the cries and prayers of some female passengers on board the burning plane while the seat belt sign-on/off kind of sound repeats is part of the most publicly shared video footage of this sort so far from this incident.
Not sure if this video was sent as a message or live-streamed from the plane, but I am suspecting that there may have also been some passenger phone calls attempted from the plane while it was on fire.
Hearing the cries and prayers of some female passengers on board the burning plane while the seat belt sign-on/off kind of sound repeats is part of the most publicly shared video footage of this sort so far from this incident.
Not sure if this video was sent as a message or live-streamed from the plane, but I am suspecting that there may have also been some passenger phone calls attempted from the plane while it was on fire.
Jan 14, 2020, 7:11 am
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No, but there are doubts that it is from this flight and it’s now suspected that it is from another plane disaster.
Iranian Facebook feeds is where it’s been found. The footage is genuine, but there is doubt that it's from this UIA incident.
Iranian Facebook feeds is where it’s been found. The footage is genuine, but there is doubt that it's from this UIA incident.
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Jan 14, 2020, 7:56 am
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Maybe they will find some passenger cell phones with functioning memory in parts — doubtful as that too may be.
Jan 14, 2020, 8:20 am
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It’s not all that unusual for some passengers to record flight takeoffs from their phones and to do so whether or not they are ignoring crew instructions to place and keep such devices in airplane mode (or off) during take-off/landing.
I would hope that those involved in debris and remains collection would be on the lookout for passenger/crew smartphones (and remnants/parts thereof) and that such electronics would be considered for forensics recovery/analysis rather than being sent directly to a dump for general trash or electronics or being left to get buried (even further perhaps).
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Jan 15, 2020, 3:03 pm
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It was the first missile firing hit and the sight of the plane burning in the sky that got people on the ground time — at least as long as 20 seconds in some cases — to get their cameras out to film the incident and start filming.
The plane was hit by one missile; then someone piloted the hit and already burning plane so as to direct the plane into a controlled turn of sorts for some reason; and then the already hit plane was hit by the second missile after the plane had already turned in some significant part and was going forward in ways.
That’s based only on footage from the ground, as there is nothing that has been found in terms of footage from the plane.
The plane was hit by one missile; then someone piloted the hit and already burning plane so as to direct the plane into a controlled turn of sorts for some reason; and then the already hit plane was hit by the second missile after the plane had already turned in some significant part and was going forward in ways.
That’s based only on footage from the ground, as there is nothing that has been found in terms of footage from the plane.
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Jan 26, 2020, 2:30 pm
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This reports that the Iranian President had threatened to resign because the Iranian military were engaged in a cover-up about what had happened to this plane:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.ya...172444233.html
His threat to resign reportedly spurred the country’s “Supreme Leader” to push the Iranian military to come clean to the Iranian President and give up the cover-up.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.ya...172444233.html
His threat to resign reportedly spurred the country’s “Supreme Leader” to push the Iranian military to come clean to the Iranian President and give up the cover-up.