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Old Jul 14, 2004 | 6:06 pm
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Oh boy, this is a tough one.

Not sure where we to stand in this issue.

On one hand, we have the sanctity of the SPAM forum , where only discuss points, miles, other types of loyalty currency. Which as of late, they have dried out, and the fact that iDine has its own forum, has decreased the amount of posts that could certainly fit into that category

jsm and I have discussed this issue before, allowing the posting of freebies in the forum, because of the lack of traffic, and the fact that many of us don't really frequent the above mentioned sites that offer this type of threads. I always thought it was nice that someone gave us a heads up when a bargain was out there.

But now, we have the ipod, gmail and the flat screen threads. I have personally dedicated some time and effort to the gmail thread, trying to organize it, and the fact that is a free service (invitation only), thought it was a good thing for the community. I am not so sure about the ipod and flat screen ones.

These threads have attracted many newcomers to FT.Whether this is good or bad I have no idea, all we can hope is that every member that joins FT, be for an ipod or asking how the AA Gold Status challenge works, becomes a member and contributes to this community.

The ipod thread, needless to say is getting out of control, and I might have to do something about it. Not sure, but enforcing rules in this type of thread is somewhat difficult.

The 100 post limit in SPAM, I am not sure which way I would go, who knows, we might be turning away the next Flyertalk Evangelist because he couldn't sign up for an ipod

This is probably the longest post of my life
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Old Jul 14, 2004 | 6:12 pm
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Originally Posted by bhatnasx
Hi Randy,

I'd like to suggest a 100 post minimum for SPAM too (similar to the Coupon Connection). I started a thread for free iPod mini's - a referral conga line - that appears to have pretty much blown up. The intention was to have FT'ers help other FT'ers get free iPods - which it has done - however, a LOT of newbies have joined Flyertalk (not that they aren't welcome to - as FT is a very welcoming place) but they've joined not because of the points, miles, and travel aspect, just for the freebie aspect - so I was thinking of making a recommendation & wondered yours & the communities thoughts on it.

Similar to the Coupon Connection & even OMNI - posting privileges for non-travel related forums (these are pretty much the only 3) should be restricted to FT'ers with a certain post count - maybe 100 like Coupon Connection - or maybe by request, like OMNI - or maybe you one has to have at least 6 months as an active member or something - just a thought.

Anyone else agree or disagree?
I agree. An alternative may be that someone with less than 100 posts can post to an open thread but cannot start a new thread of their own.

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Old Jul 14, 2004 | 6:16 pm
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bhatnasx; I should apologize if it seemed like I was accusing you in any way-- I'm definitely not. I hate when people use 20/20 hindsight to claim "I knew this would happen!" I didn't see it turning out this way at all-- no one did, I would say. I did post early-on that all multi-layer marketing schemes have one thing in common; the ones at the beginning make out and a very large number of people end up disappointed. That will, inevitably be the case here, but then again the ones who got in at the beginning deserve to get "theirs," IMHO. BTW, I 'aint no moderator nor do I have particularly good judgment-- so don't go by my lack of objection!

I do have a lot of concern about all the newly registered members. Most are teenagers and, actually, I hope they just say "no free ipod, no interest" and don't migrate to other areas of FT... I dunno', that's just my personal prejudice I guess. Reading their posts makes me very skeptical that any of them would ever contribute positively to FT.
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Old Jul 14, 2004 | 6:17 pm
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Originally Posted by bnarayan1511
I agree. An alternative may be that someone with less than 100 posts can post to an open thread but cannot start a new thread of their own.
That kind of defeats the purpose, I think.
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Old Jul 14, 2004 | 6:29 pm
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Originally Posted by bhatnasx
That kind of defeats the purpose, I think.
Yeah it does, I fully agree. I'm just trying to see we do not make sure we don't turn away someone who CAN (and I know this is a stretch) become a productive FT member.

I agree there has to be some way to prevent this from becoming another fatwallet. I'm not sure this is it. How about... someone with less than 100 posts can only post to open threads - ONCE. Would that help?

But I would be supportive your suggestion since right now, it looks to be the best solution.

Interesting predicament
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Old Jul 14, 2004 | 6:29 pm
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The answer seems to be clear and simple to me:

Conga lines should be allowed in the S.P.A.M. forum for offers where everyone can benefit, such as referrals for joining MyPoints.

Pyramid schemes should be absolutely prohibited from being posted anywhere on FlyerTalk. In pyramid schemes, only a few FlyerTalk members stand to benefit, and that is simply not within the spirit upon which FlyerTalk was founded and presently continues.

Am I wrong?
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Old Jul 14, 2004 | 6:31 pm
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Originally Posted by Canarsie
The answer seems to be clear and simple to me:

Conga lines should be allowed in the S.P.A.M. forum for offers where everyone can benefit, such as referrals for joining MyPoints.

Pyramid schemes should be absolutely prohibited from being posted anywhere on FlyerTalk. In pyramid schemes, only a few FlyerTalk members stand to benefit, and that is simply not within the spirit upon which FlyerTalk was founded and presently continues.

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That might be the best solution. The logic is flawless and it is completely in line with the community's philosophy and purpose.
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Old Jul 14, 2004 | 6:33 pm
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Originally Posted by Canarsie
The answer seems to be clear and simple to me:

Conga lines should be allowed in the S.P.A.M. forum for offers where everyone can benefit, such as referrals for joining MyPoints.

Pyramid schemes should be absolutely prohibited from being posted anywhere on FlyerTalk. In pyramid schemes, only a few FlyerTalk members stand to benefit, and that is simply not within the spirit upon which FlyerTalk was founded and presently continues.

Am I wrong?
Agree completely, but in all honesty, when I saw the ipod thread, I thought one was going to get one referral, and then it was on their own to get the other four.

But you are right
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Old Jul 14, 2004 | 6:39 pm
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Originally Posted by Canarsie
The answer seems to be clear and simple to me:

Conga lines should be allowed in the S.P.A.M. forum for offers where everyone can benefit, such as referrals for joining MyPoints.

Pyramid schemes should be absolutely prohibited from being posted anywhere on FlyerTalk. In pyramid schemes, only a few FlyerTalk members stand to benefit, and that is simply not within the spirit upon which FlyerTalk was founded and presently continues.

Am I wrong?
I agree 100%. I posted very early-on in that thread the following:

Originally Posted by JonNYC
Thing is-- in my mind-- the thing about this, or any multi-level (read: pyramid) type scheme is that even if it's legit at the start, with the "first in" folks maybe even getting their ipods (which are very, very backordered in the "good" colors, BTW) as the pyramid widens, the last folks in (the vast majority) will get nothing, historically speaking.. In other words, for the first few hundred referrals they only have to give out a handful of ipods (to the folks at the first few levels of the pyramid,) but as the number of people owed ipods expands (sort of exponentially) the incentive to "fold up shop" grows just as exponentially.
And while I was, apparently, dead wrong about the company itself, I stand by the pyramid/MLM objection that Canarsie put so succinctly and concisely. FT should aim to foster good will, MLM's do just the opposite.
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Old Jul 14, 2004 | 7:34 pm
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bhatnasx; I should apologize if it seemed like I was accusing you in any way-- I'm definitely not.
No worries! I just kind of wanted to nip it in the bud in case anyone else felt like doing a personal attack - I did not feel you were attacking me at all.

I would also like to add that I agree with Canarsie - please close the thread if need be, for example, if this becomes a rule on FT.

Editted to add - the reason I started this thread in the ORP forum is because I hoped to take ownership of a little problem that I created - my apologies to all, especially the Mods & Randy.
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Old Jul 14, 2004 | 9:00 pm
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Originally Posted by slippahs

I'd think the recent GMail "Conga" list would also be a good example of why a 100 post min. would be needed (seeing how people joined FT just to see if they can "smooch" an account out of an established FTer).

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Exactly. ^

I am now the proud owner of [email protected] with a free 1 Gig mailbox due to this Beta test invite. The number of folks on that conga with a dozen or so posts is amazing.

Agree entirely with bhatnasx original post.
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Old Jul 14, 2004 | 9:04 pm
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I wondered how long this would take to come up

Of course an easy answer would be to put the conga in Coupon Connection, maybe with a post in SPAM linking so regulars dont miss it.
No thank you.

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Old Jul 14, 2004 | 9:27 pm
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Oops my was slightly misplaced
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Old Jul 14, 2004 | 10:01 pm
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Originally Posted by Canarsie
The answer seems to be clear and simple to me:

Conga lines should be allowed in the S.P.A.M. forum for offers where everyone can benefit, such as referrals for joining MyPoints.

Pyramid schemes should be absolutely prohibited from being posted anywhere on FlyerTalk. In pyramid schemes, only a few FlyerTalk members stand to benefit, and that is simply not within the spirit upon which FlyerTalk was founded and presently continues.

Am I wrong?
I agree. The problem with pyramids is that someone along the way always gets gypped. No sense living in denile on this, right?
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Old Jul 14, 2004 | 10:07 pm
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Originally Posted by skofarrell
The problem with pyramids is that someone along the way always gets gypped. No sense living in denile on this, right?
Thank you for causing everyone to desert this thread, skofarrell.
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