Reputation "comments" are gonna' be a big problem...
Apr 22, 2004 | 12:50 pm
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Originally Posted by cAAl
IAs for the reputation square, I think it's an unfortunate mistake. Do we really need FTers evaluating one another in such a manner? Do we need some FTers giving each other a pat on the back, while others are left in the cold? Let's not create further class division within FT.
As far as reputation goes, I think most of the regulars can make their own subjective determination by looking at a user's tenure, post count, and by using the search feature. And the real FT diehards probably already have a fairly decent appreciation of the reputation of their friends and acquaintenances by virtue of having read many of their posts. To me, the explicit reputation thing, however it's calculated, will likely open up a Pandora's Box. So I suggest jettisoning it before the problems arise.
Other than that, the new FT looks great. I can't wait until its back up to speed.
As far as reputation goes, I think most of the regulars can make their own subjective determination by looking at a user's tenure, post count, and by using the search feature. And the real FT diehards probably already have a fairly decent appreciation of the reputation of their friends and acquaintenances by virtue of having read many of their posts. To me, the explicit reputation thing, however it's calculated, will likely open up a Pandora's Box. So I suggest jettisoning it before the problems arise.
Other than that, the new FT looks great. I can't wait until its back up to speed.
Apr 23, 2004 | 5:55 pm
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Well... just wait until Monday.
If you have read the latest TalkMail, you will understand.
All those Red dings will be identified.
William
If you have read the latest TalkMail, you will understand.
All those Red dings will be identified.
William
Apr 23, 2004 | 6:03 pm
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Originally Posted by wharvey
Well... just wait until Monday.
If you have read the latest TalkMail, you will understand.
If you have read the latest TalkMail, you will understand.
As of Monday, we will be switching the setting that allows for anonymity. Once the setting is switched, users will be able to see exactly who gave or took away reputation points - and here's the really big news, the switch will retroactively impact all reputation messages, meaning anonymity will disappear from all reputations given prior to Monday as well. Randy has always said, everyone on FT is responsible for everything they post, and this decision has been made to reflect that principle.
Apr 23, 2004 | 6:06 pm
#229
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What about a red ding left more than 5 reputation bling/dings ago?
Currently, we can only see the last 5 reputation bling/dings left for us. If someone dinged us 6 or more times back, is there anyway for us to know who it is come Monday?
Apr 23, 2004 | 6:09 pm
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My question, too
Originally Posted by SanDiego1K
Currently, we can only see the last 5 reputation bling/dings left for us. If someone dinged us 6 or more times back, is there anyway for us to know who it is come Monday?
Apr 23, 2004 | 6:13 pm
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Are you sure about this?
Um, isn't that gonna' create a LOT of rancor, vengefulness and animosity? I personally haven't given too many negative dings (and am 100% comfortable with those folks knowing what I think of their persistent trolling) but I really, really wonder if this isn't gonna' bring some major problems-- referring to the retroactive identification only, here.
Do as you see fit Randy, I love a good bloodbath as much as the next guy, but I think this is gonna' get real ugly when some of the reputation-dings are revealed.
I think you might want to reconsider...
Do as you see fit Randy, I love a good bloodbath as much as the next guy, but I think this is gonna' get real ugly when some of the reputation-dings are revealed.
I think you might want to reconsider...
Apr 23, 2004 | 6:18 pm
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Originally Posted by SanDiego1K
Just out of curiosity, if we all started with 10 points, and we can't give reputation points til we get to 20 points, how the heck was the log jam broken????? Think about it, this is a real chicken and egg conundrum. If no one had 20 points, then how did anyone award points so that others could get from 10 to 20 and begin awarding their own points?
I'm sorry it had to come to the point of identifying everyone (there is something to be said for anonymous feedback, as with comment/survey cards and the like) but if it was a necessary step, so be it.
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Apr 23, 2004 | 6:19 pm
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Sure glad I didn't send a retaliatory ding to the person I think red dinged me.
And I'm really looking forward to seeing the anonymous ones identified.
And I'm really looking forward to seeing the anonymous ones identified.
Apr 23, 2004 | 6:30 pm
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JonNYC, there's no need to fear that there will be a "bloodbath," at least not as long as there is still a TOS. And we're all adults here; let's not over-react. There is almost always a perfectly good explanation for these things, so rather than react emotionally in the moment, follow up with them and inquire about details.
I'll confess I gave out three dings anonymously to three members to whom my dinging will come as no surprise. Now, of course, I regret them, since I just simply don't feel it's healthy to get pulled into these sorts of things. But I'll just have to live with it (as though it's like such a grave matter
). I certainly won't stop from dinging if I feel it's warranted, which would be rarely, but posts do occur which qualify for a ding.
I'll confess I gave out three dings anonymously to three members to whom my dinging will come as no surprise. Now, of course, I regret them, since I just simply don't feel it's healthy to get pulled into these sorts of things. But I'll just have to live with it (as though it's like such a grave matter
). I certainly won't stop from dinging if I feel it's warranted, which would be rarely, but posts do occur which qualify for a ding.
Apr 23, 2004 | 6:42 pm
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Originally Posted by anonplz
... I certainly won't stop from dinging if I feel it's warranted, which would be rarely, but posts do occur which qualify for a ding.
But, hopefully you are right and I'm not giving FTers enough credit for their maturity and restraint.
Apr 23, 2004 | 6:50 pm
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I don't know; time will tell.
I received just a couple childish negatives. Others who have indicated that their feedback has been obviously designed to hurt may feel more strongly, and who's to say they are not entitled to feel betrayed or wronged?
I certainly would understand if my negatives came back to haunt me, but as I said, I think most of us are adults here, and can take it.
And, it is indeed JAFIBB (to some extent).
I received just a couple childish negatives. Others who have indicated that their feedback has been obviously designed to hurt may feel more strongly, and who's to say they are not entitled to feel betrayed or wronged?
I certainly would understand if my negatives came back to haunt me, but as I said, I think most of us are adults here, and can take it.
And, it is indeed JAFIBB (to some extent).
Apr 23, 2004 | 6:53 pm
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Originally Posted by anonplz
JonNYC, there's no need to fear that there will be a "bloodbath," at least not as long as there is still a TOS. And we're all adults here; let's not over-react. There is almost always a perfectly good explanation for these things, so rather than react emotionally in the moment, follow up with them and inquire about details.
I'll confess I gave out three dings anonymously to three members to whom my dinging will come as no surprise. Now, of course, I regret them, since I just simply don't feel it's healthy to get pulled into these sorts of things. But I'll just have to live with it (as though it's like such a grave matter ). I certainly won't stop from dinging if I feel it's warranted, which would be rarely, but posts do occur which qualify for a ding.
I'll confess I gave out three dings anonymously to three members to whom my dinging will come as no surprise. Now, of course, I regret them, since I just simply don't feel it's healthy to get pulled into these sorts of things. But I'll just have to live with it (as though it's like such a grave matter
). I certainly won't stop from dinging if I feel it's warranted, which would be rarely, but posts do occur which qualify for a ding.As for the one who might be surprised, it will be because he thinks someone else dinged him, and he owes that person an apology. [Asking myself the tough question]Am I ashamed of any of my negative comments?[/tough question] Answer, ... no.
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Apr 24, 2004 | 4:19 am
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Originally Posted by JonNYC
Um, isn't that gonna' create a LOT of rancor, vengefulness and animosity? I personally haven't given too many negative dings (and am 100% comfortable with those folks knowing what I think of their persistent trolling) but I really, really wonder if this isn't gonna' bring some major problems-- referring to the retroactive identification only, here.
Do as you see fit Randy, I love a good bloodbath as much as the next guy, but I think this is gonna' get real ugly when some of the reputation-dings are revealed.
I think you might want to reconsider...
Do as you see fit Randy, I love a good bloodbath as much as the next guy, but I think this is gonna' get real ugly when some of the reputation-dings are revealed.
I think you might want to reconsider...
I completely disagree.
In my opinion, outing the cowards will have a very salubrious effect. It will show who can be trusted, and who cannot.
No one who was honest and above-board need be concerned.
Apr 24, 2004 | 4:31 am
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Originally Posted by Counsellor
I completely disagree.
In my opinion, outing the cowards will have a very salubrious effect. It will show who can be trusted, and who cannot.
No one who was honest and above-board need be concerned.
In my opinion, outing the cowards will have a very salubrious effect. It will show who can be trusted, and who cannot.
No one who was honest and above-board need be concerned.
I dinged people without signing my name, but there was no requirement to do so. All of the dings I received were unsigned. I don't think that either I or those who dinged me did anything wrong.
We need not be embarrassed.
I included no comments with my dings. Most of the dings I received had no comments. Those few dings that I got which were accompanied by comments were brief, to the point, and not abusive. Those who sent them did nothing wrong and I will certainly not be angry with them.
The only ones who need fear the sunlight are those who used this to send flames and those who signed their dings with others' names.
I believe they are a tiny minority and will not be at all upset for them to face the consequences of their actions.
Apr 24, 2004 | 4:32 am
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Nobody has had anything to say about/to me. I'm not sure it that is good or bad! However, I have never liked the anonymous factor. If you have something negative to say have the guts to put your name to it! (I HAVE reported a suspect FTer and, after investigation, I was correct in my assumption that he was promoting his own product.) I think that all hell will break loose and it will signal the end of the reputation points for most forums.