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while I don't (in many respects) share (most) of the arguments against moderation in the Miles Buzz (and I am also all for letting this Forum where it is now, at the top), I don't look at any of the recent points raised by those who argue here for a possible change as being critcs of Randy.
The personal attacks and constant 'recommendations' to leave this board and to not contribute here anymore, are, in my opinion, much more directed against the policy that Randy constantly follows and recommends here with his own posts and what also shows in his faq as a guideline how to 'behave' here. I was a 'co-founder' of that 'other' board too (a board that Randy was constantly informed about by some of us personally), and I did follow the being questioned moderation policy at the now again discussed critical time closely. I thought than (and still do so now) that moderation was done there to best of the moderators knowledge and as fair as possible (that's my personal judgement and insider-knowledge from then). One moderator, that in a post above now is still criticised, wasn't even enabled to moderate the main forum that became the most critic one at that time. But if you go on to not believe me, what can I do? [This message has been edited by Rudi (edited 09-19-2003).] |
Rudi,
Other than recommend "Greener Pastures", what would you say to someone who is so obviously unhappy with FT? As for your defense of the moderation on "TOBB", the moderator(s) who engaged in a vendetta against me hid behind cowardly anonymous handles. I still to this day do not know for certain who they really are. As a founder of that board, you know full well that it was resurected to "Show Randy how moderation should be performed". So, when any founder of that board pops up here critisizing Randy's Moderator Team, you can be darn sure that I will pipe up. That board is a failure. In MY opinion, the failure of that board is directly tied to the ridiculous moderation. If you see my defense of the moderation here as an attack, so be it. But, I will not sit idly bye and watch the same old arguments waged again and again. |
Like a broken record...
Role model boards to consider An explanation might be in order Why did you post on Milesbuzz? Are there rules behind locking threads? <A HREF="http://www.flyertalk.com/pasttalk/ftpasttalk_forum/Forum132/HTML/000047.html" TARGET=_blank>Is there something wrong with that www.flyertalk.com place?</A> Moderator duties and priorities Trigger happy moderators This place of double standards... Thoughts of an old-timer..... Topic: Censorship on Flyertalk Topic: The closing of community threads Topic: Closing of Thread "Too many anal individuals here... " |
CameraGuy, I am not unhappy with FT. In fact I really enjoy it and think that it is one of the best sites on the internet. I do think that we are over moderated today just as we were under moderated three years ago. If a large group were to agree with me, then maybe we can effect a change in the process of moderating that would ease some of the thread closure and create more courtious debate. I am not arguing that personal attacts or grossly inflamitory statement shouldn't be moderated. I am feeling that we now preemptively moderate so that nothing bad gets started. I think that when we do it that way alot of good posts don't get started. The statement that I don't think this is going anywhere is becoming more and more common. If it is not going anywhere then why close it? It will just go away. If you have a true TOS violation then act on that, not on the possibility of problems. I again am not critisizing anyone, I am just trying to find out if more members feel that we are over moderated and if we could then change our process to allow more free discourse as long as it is civil. FT should be and for me is a source of entertainment as well as a source for knowledge.
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dallasflyer,
You are not the person I am referring to. If you posted the same argument at least 10 times, then I would consider you unhappy. I disagree that we are overmoderated. We are still undermoderated. If I want to see that CO has issued a press release touting the new service between EWR and ORD, I would be perfectly happy reading about it in theNEWS Forum. I do NOT want to read about it in the CO Forum. Also, Last time I checked, the description for MilesBuzz was not one of these: A forum for newbies or lazy members to post their questions that if they had done a little research would have been posted in the proper forum or A forum for members to steal the credit for ideas that have been posted in other forums by other members As far as I am concerned MilesBuzz should net even exist. Anything posted there can easily be covered in the individual forums. I say, eliminate MilesBuzz and eliminate problems. |
Like a broken record...
in my opinion more like a proof of consistency in opinion and arguments. |
CameraGuy, you are a hard guy to agree with. Moving off topic threads and the misuse of Milesbuzz is and are real problems. But the closing of threads which talk about our situations on airline forums that are closed just cuz the modeator feels we have discussed it enough does not make sense to me. If we have discussed it enough then everyone would stop posting, wouldn't they. What I believe the moderators are doing is trying to prevent flaming, which as a by product prevents posting. The cure is worse than the ailment in my opinion. Moving posts to there proper place, within reason, and closing total TOS violations are missions that I believe our moderators should undertake. Thanks everyone for the debate and your opinions. Hopefully more people will post and we can see where FTers all feel about this issue.
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Posting from Barrow, where it is not too very cold today. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif
Personally, the moderation, or lack there of does not affect me at all. I know exactly where all the information on FT that interests me is located and I am a master at ignoring, silly, meaningless, even annoying and outright disruptive behavior on the internet. The post moving can be a little annoying when one is following a thread and then, POOF, it is gone. That, however, is not a big deal for me as I don't follow many threads that actually get moved. My biggest concern is the effect that all of those closed threads in Miles Buzz has on the newbies who get Miles Buzz as their first impression of FT. |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Punki: Personally, the moderation, or lack there of does not affect me at all. I know exactly where all the information on FT that interests me is located...The post moving can be a little annoying when one is following a thread and then, POOF, it is gone. That, however, is not a big deal for me as I don't follow many threads that actually get moved. My biggest concern is the effect that all of those closed threads in Miles Buzz has on the newbies who get Miles Buzz as their first impression of FT. </font> <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Punki: I too am hopelessly confused by all this "post moving" activity....My only point in posting my experience is to help the powers that be at FlyerTalk understand that the new procedures and policies are cumbersome for ordinary posters like me and discourage the easily confused like me from posting....This is the first time that I have ever felt this type of hesitation and confusion on FT and it is not a great feeling. In the past I could have just posted it and waited for responses. Now it is really complicated. </font> But back to the hope you initially expressed on this thread: <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Punki: I personally would like to see moderation become more moderate in the "post moving" department...</font> <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Randy Petersen: We simply cannot allow members to post topics where ever they want and as the member of FlyerTalk who has served the longest as a member of this board, find it better to know what i will be seeing when i visit a described forum....Tip: Follow instructions and no one will get hurt. </font> <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Punki: Further, IMHO, this constant thread moving stems from the fact that, apparently, the primary charge that the moderators have been given is to keep threads in the right forum, so that is where they focus their energies. Personally, I think it that the primary charge should be be keeping the boards peaceful and harmonious by halting personal attacks and flaming.</font> |
Punki mentions Point #1:
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">the primary charge that the moderators have been given is to keep threads in the right forum, so that is where they focus their energies.</font> <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Personally, I think it that the primary charge should be be keeping the boards peaceful and harmonious by halting personal attacks and flaming.</font> The way it should be, IMHO. Doesn't mean it's not happening just because we don't see the blow by blow here in public! Thank God! |
I absolute agree with you PremEx and have often congratulated those moderators who have elegantly accomplish moderation, leaving the thread seamlessly in tact--Randy among them.
What is not invisible are those posts which require moderation but don't receive it. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/frown.gif People are allowed to insult one another with impunity and disrupt threads at will, often getting very good threads closed down as a result of their disruptive efforts. I find that distasteful. |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Punki: I absolute agree with you PremEx and have often congratulated those moderators who have elegantly accomplish moderation, leaving the thread seamlessly in tact--Randy among them. What is not invisible are those posts which require moderation but don't receive it. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/frown.gif People are allowed to insult one another with impunity and disrupt threads at will, often getting very good threads closed down as a result of their disruptive efforts. I find that distasteful. </font> It's never right is it, when moderators delete offensive posts people cry "censorship!!", if they leave them open people flame on and if they close them then they are bad people and useless moderators... |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by ScottC: It's never right is it, when moderators delete offensive posts people cry "censorship!!", if they leave them open people flame on and if they close them then they are bad people and useless moderators...</font> |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by gleff: Sure makes me glad I'm not a moderator... Oh, wait. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/mad.gif</font> |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by cblaisd: All the moderators that I am acquainted with see both as their commission from Randy, and do try to act accordingly -- since, again, he has been very, very clear about misplaced posts and posting in the appropriate place.</font> |
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