In that case, we can let the record show you consider both myself and ScottC to be penises:

http://www.flyertalk.com/pasttalk/ft.../012047-2.html

Anointed? Supreme moderator?!? While it's true I did not attend one of them liberal indoctrinating elite private universities, I must have missed the part where ScottC was "smeared or rubbed with oil or an oily substance." I have to assume that Scott, like all other moderators, was named/appointed by one Randy Petersen. Why not email Randy and tell him you think it's lame on his part to appoint "tools" as moderators?

I only get called a penis so often, what can I tell you? I didn't call the transgression horrific, and do not consider it to have been. But if you're going to whine like a little baby about flamin' and baitin' on the part of others, surely your own F&B is fair game? Pot, kettle, black or something like that?

Is that a fact? The OMNI "clique?" Or is that just more crybaby projecting? (Oh my, did I just use a harsh word?) (But mommy, the other kids were mean to me first!)

Do what you want cp. Keep whining, bring it up here, email me, whatever. I don't want to oppress you by dictating a specific course of action. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

Okay. NOW I have been flamed!

As is undoubtedly well-known in El Paso, my real name, "Dov", is Hebrew for "bear"! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif

Tisk-tisk now, selective focus... http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/thumbsup.gif

FWIW, there seems to be a conscious attempt to "Bork" anyone right of the far left. OMNI used to be fun, sparring with others who believe differently; now it's one big stroke-off and any dissenting discussion stifled with tacit, and not-so-tacit flaming. When that fails, the "I'm telling" emails go out to the mods.

Same thing happens over at du as well. What a waste of bandwith. And they call conservatives narrow-minded and opposed to free-thinking http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/rolleyes.gif

You sound like my mother.

<jfe's mom>:"Go clean your rooommm"

<jfe>: "What, what??? I can't hear you!

But that was a problem with my hearing, my vision is working quite well (thanks to some glasses that look like they were made out of the bottom of old coke bottles )


http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

Really guys, I don't have favorites, nor do I like to join in political conversations.

Too bad you guys think that we do play favorites, which that is not the case.

Besides, if you need to know, I am a conservative. Check my posts making fun of Hilary http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

After reading through this thread, I am glad I hardly ever read OMNI http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif.

It looks like my post too is zapped.

While I appreciate the volunteer efforts of the moderators I may still disagree with specific actions, the subject of this thread being one.

If we are going to consider any reference whatsoever to someone by name as personal attack I find that ridiculous. My interpretation of the moderator's actions is:
[list=a][*]Mention a someone's name in a rebuttal to a post = a TOS violation.[*]Say the same thing but leave out the name = no TOS violation.[/list=a]

I am certainly open to any illumination on the subject.

A read of Omni reveals that to be the case. Also it is consistently fair game for some to put forth juvenile arguments, usually on the order of: so and so is a moron, the moron said, this group of people are stupid, this group of people are ignorant, blah, blah, blah. And when challenged to support these base assertions quickly devolve into dissembling answers or other evasions.

So if that is the level of discourse tolerated by some on Omni so be it. I see and have seen some simply making a decision to forego Omni and any agita it creates. Which is too bad as some of them added positively to the discussions. I certainly enjoy discussions with some, however there are others whom I do not enjoy. I'm sure some of them feel the same about me. I live on the east coast so I'm not easily bruised as are some others. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

So I'm left feeling that Omni is just one more example of one group shouting down the ideas of another while screaming diversity and tolerance at the top of their lungs? Too bad they can't hear themselves.


[This message has been edited by JeffS (edited Jan 21, 2004).]

I did no such thing. Your interpretation, not mine. Had I intended to call you that, I can assure you that I would have been quite direct.

As the moderator mentioned, why are you bringing this up now anyway, after almost a year?

And my original offer stands - - would you like to discuss the flame-bait posts made by ScottC and you that lead up to that event last year? It might be very interesting to see what the general FT population has to say about it.

Which really shows how wrong someone can be when they make an assumption.

smessier and I are not "buddies". We rarely if ever communicate. I can't even tell you what the "S" in "smessier stands for.

Not that facts matter in this or any other meta-moderation discussion.

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Sean
aka: skofarrell
Moderator, OMNI & American Express

[This message has been edited by skofarrell (edited Jan 21, 2004).]

I just don't have the energy to rehash this again today (thanks to the server crash).

I think your post is off topic and a personal attack. I still do.

I asked you to take it to email and removed the post to prevent a response. If you posted the same thing tomorrow, I'd act the same.

You can "take you toys and go home", but as I stated before in email, running you off OMNI was not the intent. The intest is to keep thread on topic and prevent flame from erupting.

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Sean
aka: skofarrell
Moderator, OMNI & American Express

Actions speak louder than words.

Pick out one colloquialism and bang on it, but fail to address the substantive issue at hand.

Mentioning a name on a reply is not a personal attack, and will not cause moderator action.

"Calling someone out on the carpet" by judging their actions or personal intent will. As I stated to Dov when he first questioned my action: "Please take any criticism you have about Debo_nair to email. A proper response would have been to say “I don’t think he is a “rat” because as someone who lives with terrorism on a daily basis, we as a people have become very emotional when we see people attempting to make art out of terrorists”

Realize that I probably send 3-4 messages like this a week to posters that cross the line.

The TOS is very clear on this point: "If you disagree with an opinion or idea expressed by another member, by all means, challenge the opinion or idea - not the person. " From my disinterested view, Dov was clearly challenging the person, as well as the opinion or idea."

Again, you all may say that I blew the call on this one, and I'll accept that. But to turn this into a battle of censorship, accuse the moderators of 'left wing' or other bias is something that I will not accept, becuase it is not true.


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Sean
aka: skofarrell
Moderator, OMNI & American Express

[This message has been edited by skofarrell (edited Jan 21, 2004).]

I thought that your particular issue was that I'm part of the OMNI "clique".

I'm not.

No, the issue is the double-standard.

Oh, that one! The easiest way to address that canard is for you to volunteer to be a OMNI moderator. I'd support it in a heartbeat. You'd be surprised on the view you'd have from this side of the fence.

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