It sounds as if all the facts had not been presented yet, though. MapleLeaf's statement that Starwood Lurker had indeed tracked down a Flyertalk member based on information that member had revealed here is new evidence that was introduced in this case http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif (in case anyone has not noticed, I am just playing along). Even though Starwood Lurker took the fifth, I think it was a valuable contribution that the information contained in the witness'(MapleLeaf's) statement was presented to the jury http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif.

How do they know they were 'unsubscribed' from the offer?
How can they prove Starwood Lurker removed them?

Provide the facts please.

I find your statement pretty hard to believe and I wonder if its based on a personal dislike (for SPG??)
If you would did or could or care to spend some time on the Starwood forum you would find out quite easily that by all appearances the Lurker cannot register or unregister individuals for promos as he so fancies.
But dont let truth get in the way of your goals.

However to accuse him ( or any of a number lurkers on these boards) of doing what you said what he has been is a new low ( but not surprising after a cursary glance at the AC forum)
If i were accused thusly I wouldnt hesitate to tell FTalk to piss-off.

However unless I am presented with much more evidence than your heresay I dont buy it, if you have any at all which I highly doubt, since I am pretty certain you dont work for Starwood.

Just stick to the topic at hand and save us the smear campaign.
mike



[This message has been edited by MIKESILV (edited Dec 04, 2003).]

He never does.

He constantly accuses a member in the Air Canada board of being an AC employee but provides no proof what so ever. He just keeps repeating it and repeating it and oh yeah, repeating it. I guess it must be true then http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/rolleyes.gif Many many people on that board know the person in question and know they do not work for AC but Maple Leaf lives in a dream world and won't accept it because it doesn't conform to what he wants to believe.

I am sad to see that educated well thought out people here would take such a negative comment at face value without a shred of evidence. Give me a break. Maple Leaf fights anyone and everyone that have a positive attitude towards AC every chance he gets in the AC forum and seems to have taken a disliking to Starwood Lurker, another person who has a history of helping people.

Maple Leaf, as one Christian to another

Judge not, lest ye be judged.
Matthew 7:1

I make plenty of mistakes in my life every day and don't want ongoing problems with you but you can't just make statements and not back them up. It is just wrong.

Either give proof to you statement about Starwood Lurker or remove it. That is a very serious allegation and if you can't back it up with proof then remove it and apologize to Starwood Lurker immediately.

Credibility of the witness challenged... http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

I was not the one who started talking about this like a court case (actually, Starwood Lurker did...), but people seem to be getting similarly emotional http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif.

This is all getting a little bit too heated for me.

I am on neither "side", just curious how this is going to turn out so I respectfully bow out of this thread (as a participant, will still lurk for Randy's response http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif).

my response disappeared... will reply later when I have the time again.

[This message has been edited by MapleLeaf (edited Dec 04, 2003).]

One last statement, and this is it.

When Randy has had time to consider what his response to all this is and he posts that response, I will be more than happy to discuss any questions you may have, but not before that time.

Sincerely,

William R. Sanders
Customer Service Coordinator
Starwood Preferred Services

[email protected]

I don't know about everybody else - but I think this is more than fair enough.

I'm comfortable with that.

It is getting more interesting by the minute (which is why I broke my promise and made it back to this thread http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif).

Now, not only a link to a promo disappeared, but a whole thread in the Starwood forum that was not flattering for Starwood disappeared.

I don't know why - and perhaps it is just a technical error that that thread disappeared, but it sure seems "strange".

Edit: Starwood Lurker just posted that he had nothing to do with it:

[This message has been edited by attorney28 (edited Dec 04, 2003).]

Here's a link to the thread discussing the disappearing thread:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum74/HTML/008927.html

FYI, I haven't chimed in on this because I haven't had the quality time to think it through. While I've posted other places - per JeremyZ - they have been no thought evolking posts. What I've learned is that I'm not allowed to think out loud - so if it is a matter that probably does and should be seriously addressed, think it through before commenting. I'm almost there on this issue. Thanks for being patient.

I just wanted to say that in my limited time in this community, FT has never been about restricting information.

I think it's a shame that people were asked by admins to modify their posts, even if this was a "targeted" offer. If starwood really wanted a targeted offer, they should provide the computer backend to make it targeted (ala what happens in the Southwest Airlines forum) or risk that word of the offer could get out.

gleff, you quoted me correctly. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

While I do not condone the outright sale of miles and/or points, I have been happily involved in many exchanges, ranging all the way from "Hey, just take it and enjoy!" (what goes around always comes around), to, "There really is no point in your trying to book a round-about UA award ticket to Mexico. I'll just book a direct ticket for you on AS and somewhere along the way you can book me a ticket on UA." Win/win. I have even received certificates in the mail with notes that said, "I enjoyed your post about .............. very much. Hope you enjoy this upgrade as much." Ah ha!!! Trading joy for joy. Are there rules against that? http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif

These exchanges are almost always privately conducted with FT folks whom I consider friends--and I have lots and lots of FlyerTalk friends. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif Thank you very much.

I have always been very honest with UA and AS about my exchanges with friends and they think it is cool that I would, for example, give an internationally traveling friend a SWU that I wasn't going to use in exchange for my friend upgrading me with a HK 50 that she wasn't going to use.

Even Starwood and Hilton could care less to whom I give award stays. They get XX,XXX number of points for a room, no matter who sleeps in the room. What's the issue???

FlyerTalk would be a far less friendly and rewarding place if were not allowed to make happy, mutually beneficial exchanges with our friends, both new and old.

Let me use this occasion to say that neither does the Coupon Connection. In fact, when I discover that folks posting things in Coupon Connection and then soliciting to buy/sell for cash, then the poster is informed that that is not acceptable, that the Coupon Connection is not a venue for the buy/sale of awards/points/miles/certs for cash, his/her post is deleted, and Randy is informed.

Chuck
aka cblaisd
Moderator, Coupon Connection