This over exuberant moderation has to stop.

Well you learn something new everyday!
I never knew that Help Request was there!

Try shooting an email to [email protected]

wow, looks like you have seen the light at last !
what wonder that it is mainly those who actually USE the airline or alliance who are interested to have a related forum tidy and used to exchange information belonging there, just as patron has been keeping it.

he is playing it to the FT rules , so what is your problem : love it or leave it !

As has been stated elsewhere these are International boards and standards of behaviour should correspond to International standards. What you are saying is because LH is a German airline and they are part of *A then the forums should be administered in a tuetonic fashion.

I have not flown LH for about four years but prior to that while working in Munich I used them a lot. I have also completed 3 Star Alliance RTW trips plus I am Gold with bmi, a *A member. Is that enough use of the Alliance to be allowed to use the *A forum?

This appears to be personal vendetta and flaming war. Randy please close this thread

There is no personal vendetta on my part. If people wish to attack me for having a different opinion to theirs, then that is their problem.

To date there has been no official FT response to my email, this thread or the other threads that are expressing concern about some of the moderation that is taking place.

In my opinion, most boards functioned just fine prior to the Moderators starting up. Yes, on some boards topics could get well out of hand and threads deserved to be closed. However, what we are seeing now is threads being moved/closed for dubious reasons. FT was a fun and enjoyable place to be but certain Moderators who are full of their own self importance are taking the shine of that enjoyment.

Reposted from chexfan's post above:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum97/HTML/000683.html

Randy wrote:

Fair enough -- but we now have moderators precisely because many disagree(d) that this was the case.

Maybe Randy is on holiday....
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum95/HTML/003372.html



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kpc

I see moderating a bit like officiating which I have done several thousands times during the last quarter century.
In referring the players agree to play under a set of rules and the referee to the best of their ability agree to enforce those rules. If all goes well a match enjoyed by both the spectators and the players ensues.
With moderation we have posters who agree to post under some agreed upon rules (TOS) and moderators who enforce those rules. Same as above if all goes well a thread is enjoyed by both the posters and lurkers.
I will be the first to admit that one of the problems for a match being unenjoyable is poor officiating. But this is not the majority reason.
The main reason a match goes bad is that players who have agreed to play under certain rules decide that they do not want to now play under those rules because they have a different understanding of them. In simple terms it is called 'cheating.'
How to find the median line as an official to allow an enjoyable game to continue under these circumstances is an art that very few appreciate. In fact it seems the only ones who do are fellow officals.
Like a match where the players really have not the knowledge of the rules as they have not studied them as intensely as an official the same exists here on FT that posters do not have a thourough understanding of the TOS and therefore complain instead of making any constructive criticsm.
I am certain based on my experience that the ones who will make the most difference on whether a moderator changes their style will be the fellow moderators. I for one would never change my officiating style because one player was complaining about my calls. Of course I have the ability in my officiating to caution and then send off the offender. Perhaps we should give that ability to the moderators.
In case anyone is unclear I feel that Patron is doing a wonderful job (I am not german) based on what these threads had me see and wish that moderators in threads that I participated in copied his style.

[This message has been edited by magic111 (edited 05-22-2003).]

Not so sure about that.

heyup,gaza
what part of "love it or leave it " is it you don't understand ?

okay , i will take on board that you flew lufthansa a couple of times 4 or so years ago and that you are *gold with an airline which has recently become a ( more or less unimportant) part of the *alliance.
but do really believe that this gives you the right to start a crusade against a type of moderation that is welcome to most of the people who contribute more to these two boards with one letter that you have with the whole lot of your posts ?

i do not question your right to have your own opinion nor to post it , but your rights end were those of others become affected , and you simply annoy people by repeating your stance time after time without being prepared to even consider any argument against it.
get over it.

p.s. as i am no longer prepared to waste time on it,this will definitely be MY last post on this "topic" , so don't bother throwing at me .

Thisd remark is totally unacceptable. It doesn't play a role if Gaza is LH SEN or HM nothing. As long as he frequents the LH board, he may voice his opinion.

You suppose that most LH posters like this sort of moderation... while some are clearly in favor, there are others (with a high post count, which you seem to find important) who are reluctant of heavy moderation and would prefer less involvement of a moderator or even a moderator-free forum.

I agree with Gaza that less is sometimes more... I still miss the Currywurst thread.

[This message has been edited by curt (edited 05-23-2003).]

If I may make a suggestion, why not add a little...disclaimer/explanation...to the start of a post on why you think it should be in a particular forum if you have a fear that it will be moved?

Personal case in point, a few weeks back I posted a note about GE seeking ETOPS-300/330 certification for their 777-200LR/300ER engines in the United forum.

Why did I post this in the UA forum, and not "TravelBuzz" or "In the News"? Because, over the previous two months, there had been a number of really good technical threads on ETOPS-180 and how it applied to UA's 777/747 operations.

When I posted it in the UA forum, I started it with a note to the forum moderators that the above was why I thought it was more appropriate to post it in the UA forum, and not "TB" or "ItN". The moderators evidently agreed, for it remained in the UA forum and did spark a small, but interesting, discussion.

This will normally not make any difference in the LH and Star fora.

Anyway, I am a fan of how much great information Patron provides.

curt, my dear fellow "hamburger"
you have either not read my post or not understood jack of it.

now, i love this one ; english made in hamburg (or by helmut kohl)?

this is what i explicitely wrote ,however , may i ask for the same ?

interesting , where did you find this information ?
you seem to know more about me than i do .

i have mentioned exactly the opposite : posters with valuable, not numerous contribution .

i bet you do !

sunseeker, how about you contribute something constructive to a discussion instead of heckling people. I did a little search and of your last 10 posts, about 8 were only personal attacks on people instead of at least containing some constructive idea.